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Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Iclick
Chorus Member Joined: 4/1/19
#25Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/22/19 at 10:07pmI remember in the Patti LuPone biography she mentions smoking during Evita and Les Miz.
bwaylvsong
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/28/05
#26Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/22/19 at 10:15pm@Alex Kulak2, I’m pretty sure i’m literally the only [adult] actor I know who has never smoked anything. While I am always baffled when I see actors under the age of 60 or so smoking cigarettes, I understand that it is more common than one would expect, and marijuana is significantly more common.
Kitsune
Broadway Star Joined: 12/29/06
#27Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/22/19 at 10:28pm
Elegance101 said: "Alex Kulak2 said: "I'm an actor, and I can tell you that if you include marijuana, it's harder to find an actor whodoesn'tsmoke."
This is very true.
Also, I thought vaping wasn't bad for your voice. Don't know much about it, but isn't there no tar or smoke? It's just water vapor."
I can't speak for how it impacts singing in particular, but the issue with vaping is that the dosage of other ingredients (nicotine amongst others) ends up actually being much higher than just conventional cigarettes. (How much is dependent on the specific product). The issue is that vaping/e-cigarettes are not well regulated at the moment, and there's little research on long-term health impacts, let alone how it impacts your voice.
(Sorry, I got really excited that my public health background was actually relevant here!)
All this being said, Sophia *is* obviously allowed to make her own decisions, good or bad. And after the stage door drama last month I feel bad that she's come under attack again.
Alex Kulak2
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/11/16
#28Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/22/19 at 11:00pm
Kitsune said: "Elegance101 said: "Alex Kulak2 said: "I'm an actor, and I can tell you that if you include marijuana, it's harder to find an actor whodoesn'tsmoke."
This is very true.
Also, I thought vaping wasn't bad for your voice. Don't know much about it, but isn't there no tar or smoke? It's just water vapor."
I can't speak for how it impacts singing in particular, but the issue with vaping is that the dosage of other ingredients(nicotine amongst others) ends up actually being much higher than just conventional cigarettes. (How muchisdependent on the specific product). The issue is that vaping/e-cigarettes are not well regulated at the moment, and there's little research on long-term health impacts, let alone how it impacts your voice.
(Sorry, I got really excited that my public health background was actually relevant here!)
All this being said,Sophia *is* obviously allowed to make her own decisions, good or bad. And after the stage door drama last month I feel bad that she's come under attack again."
I think another factor is convenience. You can’t smoke cigarettes inside most buildings anymore. You can juul in a club or a bar (at least in Illinois) and the staff will either not care or you can be more conspicuous. It’s more convenient to vape inside, so people do it a lot more. It’s why I don’t vape. It’s a lot easier to get a nicotine addiction than with cigarettes, whereas you have to go outside to smoke.
Elegance101
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/24/17
#29Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/22/19 at 11:23pm
Ah, that makes sense. I know very little about it, nor do I know anyone who vapes, so your public health background was very helpful today, indeed! Thanks, Kitsune and Alex!
She can definitely make her own choices, but if she didn't want people to mention/notice it, should she have really posted it on social media? Especially considering her young following? Not going to get into more social media rantings, but she is the one who posted it willingly, meaning it's not really her personal life any more.
Alex Kulak2
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/11/16
#31Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 12:04am
I didn't know I could hate Cats more.
And yeah, Sophia can do what she wants, but she probably shouldn't have posted it on social media. It's like Walt Disney: he was a heavy smoker, but he never smoked in front of other people because he didn't want to encourage bad habits.
#32Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 12:05amI could tell she smokes just off of her recent Broadway in Bryant Park performance. Woof.
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Tag
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/19/05
#33Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 12:27am
There's no such thing as a "Non-Smoking Agreement" in an Equity contract -- it would be unenforceable.
Anything can be added as a rider above and beyond to what is in the Production Contract - from non-smoking agreements, to the producers paying for a car service, to private bathrooms, to weekly spa treatments. Nothing is unheard of.
And as a sidenote, singers who insure their voices (the Mariahs, the Celines, etc) most certainly would have non-smoking clauses in their polices - however enforceable.
Elegance101
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/24/17
#34Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 12:48am
Also, I'm not really a cat person, but most cats I've met seem like they would heavily chain smoke if they could, so that PSA is inaccurate.
blm2323
Stand-by Joined: 8/5/11
#35Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 12:49am
Yes, she can do what she wants but I’m perplexed by people younger than 60 who smoke. With all that information out there? Mostly it infuriates me because it increases health care costs.
That said - I thought she was delightful in BJ. And that’s all that matters to me as a paying ticket holder.
#36Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:33am
RippedMan said: "I will say not ever voice is the same. My voice teacher's wife loved to drink diet coke before she sings opera because it coats her voice. I can drink and still sing. Obviously it doesn't effect her.
Remember seeing Richard H Blake smoking after Wedding Singer and clearly he is fine."
The two, great singers I know best who smoked for most of their adult lives are still performing regularly in their 60s. I think I would never have smoked if I could sing like they, but who knows? It doesn't seem to have affected either one, not even the successful OPERA singer!
#37Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 3:29am
It just seems silly to me because where would it stop. What is next: non bathing contracts?
BrodyFosse123
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/27/06
#38Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 8:50am
Andrea McArdle has mentioned she had a clause in her ANNIE contract she couldn’t skateboard, which she did extensively.
Islander_fan
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
#39Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 12:53pm
BrodyFosse123 said: "Andrea McArdle has mentioned she had a clause in her ANNIE contract she couldn’t skateboard, which she did extensively."
I feel that would be different than smoking. There's a chance with skateboarding that you can physically get injured. And, with that, not be able to preform until the injury is healed. There are many producers who aren't a fan of the Broadway Show League's softball games for the very same reason. They don't forbid those who wish to play to do so. But worrying has occurred.
Also, I vape. Think the kind that the hipsters use that send out a huge plume of what looks like but isn't smoke. That said, there's a difference between that and something like the Juul. Many higher end reputable vape shops don't allow those who are under twenty one to enter. And, if they don't know you they card. Hell, the one I go to a lot which fits into that category won't even let someone who's underage be in the store, even if they are with someone who is. The difference between what I use and, say, the Juul is a few different things. One, is that the ones I use are generally used by those who did smoke cigarettes, but want their nicotine intake in a bit of a safer way. Many even use it as a way to ditch nicotine altogether. The juices that go with what I use come in various milligram levels of nicotine with one of them being zero. I know people who have worked their way down to zero, but still use the vape to help with the oral fixation aspect of it and to get the throat pull/semi burning feeling that comes with using cigs as well as a vape. And, many of the high end vape stores have followed regulations. For example, you can sample flavors before buying, used to do it for free. But, when it was stated that they had to charge, they just had you throw down a buck since it was never stated how much the charge is. Also, many of the people who do vape, do admit that they have a nicotine addiction. One, personally, I wouldn't wish on anyone since it's hard to kick the habit.
The Juul is popular among high schoolers. It has replaced the cool factor of smoking cigarettes that used to be a thing a long time ago. They do sell them at bodegas around the city, many of which never card, therefor, high schoolers can get easy access to them. Unlike a vape, you can't control the level of your nicotine intake with them. They think that they are being cool, wrongfully think that it's safer etc. But, they don't realize that, unlike the higher end pricer and fancier device I use, you can't alter the level of nicotine in what you're inhaling. They are used in bars and basically everywhere because unlike a vape which produces a plume of vape, when you breath out, the Juul doesn't do that and it's far more easier to be discrete about using it. Furthermore, Altria, the parent company of such cigarette brands such as Philip Morris/Marlboro, bought out the Juul and now own it. After all, of course they want skin in the game. They realize that this is something new, and they want to profit off it.
#40Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 1:57pmWe all have our vices. I personally make horrible food choices at times. Unfortunately, smoking is just one of those things that affect others (second hand smoke, the smell that’s left on clothes, hair, breath, etc) so it’s hard for non smokers to not have an opinion. Sophia is young and she has time to live and learn. She was used as an example but no need to put her on the front burner. She seems to be very health (mind body spirit) conscious in every other ways So I’ll give her a break.
LuPita2
Broadway Star Joined: 9/11/18
#41Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:04pm
You'll give her a break? For living her life and enjoying herself? How kind.
#42Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:12pm
Man, people on this board are incredibly naive.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
jansalrose
Swing Joined: 11/2/11
#43Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:24pm
Well, thank god Tobias Ragg brought this matter to our attention so more people can pass judgement. Are we really scrutinizing people's Instagram photos now like they're legal documents? The DRAMA.
#44Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:32pm
SmoothLover said: "It just seems silly to me because where would it stop. What is next: non bathing contracts?"
That is not as outlandish as you might think. I happened to be watching an interview recently where Sutton Foster said she was asked to only wash her hair twice a week during her run in Violet.
singer234
Leading Actor Joined: 8/31/08
#45Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:41pmAlso...she’s literally not even in AMERICA in that picture lolol. Who knows when it was taken? Everyone is different. Plus, for all we know she could never even want to do a musical again after Beetlejuice. People are nutso.
LuPita2
Broadway Star Joined: 9/11/18
#46Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:55pm
Kad said: "Man, people on this board are incredibly naive.
Or, you know, letting others live their life and not judging them. She can be anywhere in the world and smoke. The judgement is gross and such a waste of everyone's time. Leave her alone.
#47Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 2:56pm
CATSNYrevival said: "SmoothLover said: "It just seems silly to me because where would it stop. What is next: non bathing contracts?"
That is not as outlandish as you might think. I happened to be watching an interview recently where Sutton Foster said she was asked to only wash her hair twice a week during her run in Violet."
That is kind of interesting although it seems the same affect could be achieved through make up by putting something in the hair that could be washed out. I am sure many actors are asked to keep their hair a certain way because of the period of the play. I think the general rule of thumb is if you auditioned with blonde hair you would not come to the first read with brown hair unless you had gotten permission from the casting director.
#48Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 4:38pm
This thread is adorable.
Yes, smoking is unhealthy, and can ruin your voice if you smoke too much. HOWEVER, many professional singers who smoke, including myself, are very light smokers. I have a cigarette only a couple times a week. It’s called self-control.
Can an athlete eat McDonalds here and there and still be healthy and able to do their job? Yes.
#49Non-Smoking Contract for Actors
Posted: 7/23/19 at 5:02pmSmoking is stupid, people who start smoking at a young age in our modern world are stupid. But not minding your own business is also stupid.
