Unpopular opinions you hold- Page 43

[JoseLee_]

Posted: 12/18/18 at 9:04pm

I cant stand George Salazars acting in Be More Chill.. or whatever his name is. The one who sings the bathroom song. Sooo old to be in high school. And the whole musical...i don't get the hype at all.

[YvanEhtNioj]

Posted: 12/18/18 at 9:25pm

I’m not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but I think they should’ve recast be more chill before transferring it

[theatreguy12]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 9:24am

I semi agree with the LMM thing. Super talented visionary. Might be a nice guy. But it didn’t take long for him to show what side of the bread he puts his butter on. He went Hollywood pretty fast.
And a star on the HWOF? It’s not like that honor just comes out of the blue. As if the committee approaches you with the revelation that they want to honor you with this. To which you respond, ‘Well thank you for this.’
The fact is, once you get beyond paying the $30,000 price tag, you have to push and sell yourself to get in there. IMO it’s a total ego-driven thing. Furthermore, I have read that to be considered you also have to have some fame that has endured for at least 5 years. He barely, if at all, meets that criteria. I know there was In the Heights, but that was not what made him a household name.
But then again, he also received the Kennedy Center Honors, for what amounted to one body of work.
Unfortunately that alone proved these honors are really nothing more than popularity contests with a lot of self-promotion behind them.

[theaterlyfe19]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 10:31am

Do I think Be More Chill is fun? Sure.

do I think it will have a long life on Broadway once the people who see it, see it? Once we get past Tony season? ....not so sure. 

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 10:44am

I’ve never gotten the hatred for LMM. He’s created two of the most notable musicals of the 21st century. He seems like a nice guy. Some think it’s an act. I guess some would prefer he go full out “LuPone” although we all know how that would be received from a Latino man. Others look down on him for going “Hollywood.” I assume these people avoid all Hollywood-produced movies and TV shows. Otherwise, they’re just hypocrites.

As far as the star on the Hollywood walk of fame being a totally ego-driven thing, I guess you could say that about the 2,600+ other celebrities who have a star.

Did LMM get his star quicker than most? Yes. Did it cost you anything? No. By the way, my understanding is the nominator is the one who pays the $30,000 fee. Is it regrettable that the special honor for the Hamilton crew at the Kennedy Honors bumped another nominee from getting a Lifetime Achievement honor? Absolutely yes. Was it deserved? In my opinion, yes.

But none of this makes LMM the spawn of Satan. The world is better for having In the Heights, Hamilton and the music of Moana in it.

[Sincerely Werk!]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 11:11am

JoseLee_ said: "I cant stand George Salazars acting in Be More Chill.. or whatever his name is. The one who sings the bathroom song. Sooo old to be in high school. And the whole musical...i don't get the hype at all."

A bunch of the younger kids in my high school are huge fans of it and I don't get it at all. The music is okay but the plot is really poorly written and the female characters are really annoying. Also, I hate how people act like it's "Groundbreaking LGBT+ representation" because... 1 character is bisexual, and another one wore a pride pin. Like don't get me wrong I love representation but Be More Chill just kinda brought it up out of nowhere.

[Crazy NooNooHead]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 11:46am

This isn't MY unpopular opinion, but I used to have a friend who saw all six Broadway Hedwigs and said JCM was her least favorite.

Not the reason we aren't friends anymore, but it certainly didn't help. Haha!

[Plannietink08]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 1:57pm

Miles2Go2 said: "I’ve never gotten the hatred for LMM. He’s created two of the most notable musicals of the 21st century. He seems like a nice guy. Some think it’s an act. I guess some would prefer he go full out “LuPone” although we all know how that would be received from a Latino man. Others look down on him for going “Hollywood.” I assume these people avoid all Hollywood-produced movies and TV shows. Otherwise, they’re just hypocrites.

As far as the star on the Hollywood walk of fame being a totally ego-driven thing, I guess you could say that about the 2,600+ other celebrities who have a star.

Did LMM get his star quicker than most? Yes. Did it cost you anything? No. By the way, my understanding is the nominator is the one who pays the $30,000 fee. Is it regrettable that the special honor for the Hamilton crew at the Kennedy Honors bumped another nominee from getting a Lifetime Achievement honor? Absolutely yes. Was it deserved? In my opinion, yes.

But none of this makes LMM the spawn of Satan. The world is better for having In the Heights, Hamilton and the music of Moana in it."

 

You're coming across as hysterical and I think you need to calm down. Not a single person has said anything against his character nor compared him to Satan so how you came to say that is baffling. 

Personally I wish him all the luck in the world and it must be incredibly gratifying for him to achieve the success every performer dreams of but I just wish to see his name a little less. 

And did he really create the two most notable musicals of the 21st century? Did he really? Fair enough Hamilton is this generation's musical juggernaut like RENT, Phantom, Les Mis was before us but I'd never heard of In The Heights, nor LMM, before discovering Bring It On and neither had a lot of my very nerdy theatre friends. 

Despite this I think we can all agree that you need to climb out of LMM's ass - I can't imagine there's much fresh air up there. 

[Impossible2]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 2:04pm

Plannietink08 said: "Miles2Go2 said: "I’ve never gotten the hatred for LMM. He’s created two of the most notable musicals of the 21st century. He seems like a nice guy. Some think it’s an act. I guess some would prefer he go full out “LuPone” although we all know how that would be received from a Latino man. Others look down on him for going “Hollywood.” I assume these people avoid all Hollywood-produced movies and TV shows. Otherwise, they’re just hypocrites.

As far as the star on the Hollywood walk of fame being a totally ego-driven thing, I guess you could say that about the 2,600+ other celebrities who have a star.

Did LMM get his star quicker than most? Yes. Did it cost you anything? No. By the way, my understanding is the nominator is the one who pays the $30,000 fee. Is it regrettable that the special honor for the Hamilton crew at the Kennedy Honors bumped another nominee from getting a Lifetime Achievement honor? Absolutely yes. Was it deserved? In my opinion, yes.

But none of this makes LMM the spawn of Satan. The world is better for having In the Heights, Hamilton and the music of Moana in it."



You're coming across as hysterical and I think you need to calm down. Not a single person has said anything against his character nor compared him to Satan so how you came to say that is baffling.

Personally I wish him all the luck in the world and it must be incredibly gratifying for him to achieve the success every performer dreams of but I just wish to see his name a little less.

And did he really create the two most notable musicals of the 21st century? Did hereally? Fair enough Hamilton is this generation's musical juggernaut like RENT, Phantom, Les Mis was before us butI'd never heard of In The Heights, nor LMM, before discovering Bring It On and neither had a lot of my very nerdy theatre friends.

Despite this I think we can all agree that you need to climb out of LMM's ass - I can't imagine there's much fresh air up there."

He didn't sound even remotely hysterical, but you definitely do...

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 2:08pm

Of course, no one called LMM the spawn of Satan. (That was a bit of hyperbole) Just as I didn’t say he created the two most notable musicals of this century. I’m pretty sure there was an “of” in there. And if defending an artist who I feel is being unfairly maligned on here makes me hysterical, that’s fine. But believe me, I’m calm. Lol

[Plannietink08]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 2:17pm

Miles2Go2 said: "Of course, no one called LMM the spawn of Satan. (That was a bit of hyperbole) Just as I didn’t say he created the two most notable musicals of this century. I’m pretty sure there was an “of” in there. And if defending an artist who I feel is being unfairly maligned on here makes me hysterical, that’s fine. But believe me, I’m calm. Lol"

 

Sure, Jan. 

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 2:37pm

I think Idina Menzel's performance as Liz/Beth in If/Then was more impressive to me than her performance in Wicked because I found the character in If/Then more worth watching. I think Elphaba has one of the most shallow character arcs ever. Glinda is really the more interesting character if the actress plays her right from the beginning and doesn't let the comedy go OTT with her.

Hugh Jackman has a really obnoxious sounding singing voice and I think the way he stresses some syllables in words is odd. I was also annoyed with all the ass-kissing about how hot he was when he hosted the 2004 Tonys. Yes, I'm that old.

[LxGstv]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 2:59pm

The whole point of this thread is about UNPOPULAR opinion. So arguing something that people know it’s unpopular seems a bit silly. I don’t think I ever noticed it happening on this thread until recently... what’s the point?

I believe someone said they wished Bright Star ran longer a couple of posts back, and I feel that a lot of people agree with that, so it doesn’t really belong on this thread... again, unpopular opinion...

And about LMM, I think it’s funny he made a long twitter post about not theater shaming theater goers... while he shamed another theater goer to prove his point...

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 3:00pm

"Despite this I think we can all agree that you need to climb out of LMM's ass "

Seriously, Plannietink08? No, we don't have to agree on that. Miles2Go2 offered a calm and reasoned opinion (which, honestly, Miles2Go2, I don't think is all that unpopular. I don't get the LMM hate either).

I've never seen any of LMM's Broadway work, but I have listened to his music and have worked with him. He's a genuinely nice guy. He's very talented  and hardworking. He deserves the place that he's worked so hard to achieve. I've always loved that he put a 10 year old kid from New Orleans on a Broadway stage

"[Miles2Go2] didn't sound even remotely hysterical, but you definitely do..."

ITA, Impossible2.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 3:18pm

The fact is, once you get beyond paying the $30,000 price tag, you have to push and sell yourself to get in there. IMO it’s a total ego-driven thing. Furthermore, I have read that to be considered you also have to have some fame that has endured for at least 5 years. He barely, if at all, meets that criteria. I know there was In the Heights, but that was not what made him a household name. 

It's the same for everyone who has a star on the Walk of Fame, who all have to be nominated, have the star paid for, and be considered.  Do you honestly consider every name on this list to be a "household name"?  At any rate, nobody receives a star as an award.  They pay $ and apply for it.  This is nothing new.

But then again, he also received the Kennedy Center Honors, for what amounted to one body of work. 
Unfortunately that alone proved these honors are really nothing more than popularity contests with a lot of self-promotion behind them. 

He was one of four receiving the same honor for the same work as a group.  So, now you reduce every single recipient of the Kennedy Center Honor to a popularity contest and self-promotion because of this one?  That's...odd.

Also, I hate how people act like it's "Groundbreaking LGBT+ representation" because... 1 character is bisexual, and another one wore a pride pin. 

Are people really acting like that?  I assume they've never seen A Chorus Line or La Cage or Falsettos or Rent or Kinky Boots?  Or they simply have little-to-no knowledge of musical theatre in general?  There's really nothing groundbreaking about Be More Chill at all.

And did he really create the two most notable musicals of the 21st century? Did he really?

He created two of the most notable musicals of the 21st century.  That much is true.

Fair enough Hamilton is this generation's musical juggernaut like RENT, Phantom, Les Mis was before us but I'd never heard of In The Heights, nor LMM, before discovering Bring It On and neither had a lot of my very nerdy theatre friends. 

Just because you and your friends weren't paying attention doesn't reduce the importance behind In the Heights and its impact on American musical theatre and the American Latino community (immigrant and non).  While it wasn't the juggernaut of Hamilton (few shows have been), the fact that a small off-Broadway Latino-centric musical with no stars attached prominently featuring hip-hop music and an almost entirely sung-through score would go on to be a hit on Broadway, win 5 Tonys (including Best Musical) and be a Pulitzer nominee wasn't something that had ever happened before.  That's the very definition of "notable".  Maybe if you'd had heard of it at the time and why it was an important event, you would feel differently.  Personally, I think it's a stunning and joyous work, but that's irrelevant when it comes to what makes it a notable work.

[Sincerely Werk!]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 5:04pm

Mister Matt said: "The fact is, once you get beyond paying the $30,000 price tag, you have to push and sell yourself to get in there. IMO it’s a total ego-driven thing. Furthermore, I have read that to be considered you also have to have some fame that has endured for at least 5 years. He barely, if at all, meets that criteria. I know there was In the Heights, but that was not what made him a household name.

It's the same for everyone who has a star on the Walk of Fame, who all have to be nominated, have the star paid for, and be considered. Do you honestly consider every name on this list to be a "household name"? At any rate, nobody receives a star as an award. They pay $ and apply for it. This is nothing new.

But then again, he also received the Kennedy Center Honors, for what amounted to one body of work.
Unfortunately that alone proved these honors are really nothing more than popularity contests with a lot of self-promotion behind them.

He was one of four receiving the same honor for the same work as a group. So, now you reduce every single recipient of the Kennedy Center Honor to a popularity contest and self-promotion because of this one? That's...odd.

Also, I hate how people act like it's "Groundbreaking LGBT+ representation" because...1 character is bisexual, and another one wore a pride pin.

Are people really acting like that? I assume they've never seen A Chorus Line or La Cage or Falsettos or Rent or Kinky Boots? Or they simply have little-to-noknowledge of musical theatre in general? There's really nothing groundbreaking about Be More Chill at all.

And did he really create the two most notable musicals of the 21st century? Did hereally?

He created two of the most notable musicals of the 21st century. That much is true.

Fair enough Hamilton is this generation's musical juggernaut like RENT, Phantom, Les Mis was before us butI'd never heard of In The Heights, nor LMM, before discovering Bring It On and neither had a lot of my very nerdy theatre friends.

Just because you and your friends weren't paying attention doesn't reduce the importance behind In the Heights and its impact on American musical theatre and the American Latino community (immigrant and non). While it wasn't the juggernaut of Hamilton (few shows have been), the fact that a small off-Broadway Latino-centric musical with no stars attached prominently featuring hip-hop musicand an almost entirely sung-through score would go on to be a hit on Broadway, win 5 Tonys (including Best Musical) and be a Pulitzer nominee wasn't something that had ever happened before. That's the very definition of "notable". Maybe if you'd had heard of it at the time and why it was an important event, you would feel differently. Personally, I think it's a stunning and joyous work, but that's irrelevant when it comes to what makes it a notable work."

About the BMC thing, your right about the average theatergoer knowing about other representation, but a lot of younger BMC "stans" think it's gods gift to Broadway and that it "opened new doors" and crap like that. If you like it fine, it's just nothing special. 

[Plannietink08]

Posted: 12/19/18 at 7:00pm

@MisterMatt Youve described the OPs point far more eloquently and therefore Id suggest an edit. Two of the most notable musicals in America in the 21st century
I grew up in the Highlands of Scotland. Had the show opened now when Im older then yes Id probably look at it different but as a 12/13 year old the show wouldnt have appealed to me at all.
In saying that the way you described it makes it seem like In The Heights was a big deal to the Latino community so Im glad the show got as far as it did, won the awards it did and is currently enjoying a resurgence due to Hamilton. I truly hope the film adaption does it justice so that a new generation of Latino children can be inspired when seeing themselves on screen.

[theaterlyfe19]

Posted: 12/20/18 at 8:29am

Book of Mormon and The Band's Visit are overrated.

Lin-Manuel Miranda is everywhere, and it's a bit annoying. I don't deny he works so, so hard to get where he is, and he's done so much for the theater community. But I'd love to see his name a little less. 

I love the first act of Hamilton. I get lost during the second. 

 

[theaterlyfe19]

Posted: 12/20/18 at 8:33am

Gettin' The Band Back Together was a fun musical. Not everything has to be Wicked, Hamilton, Dear Evan Hansen, etc. Shows can be FUN. 

Be More Chill....just plain sick of it at this point. I will be skipping it (but supporting someone I know who's working on it). 

 

 

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 12/21/18 at 11:25am

This is more of an extremely minor opinion but I think 70, Girls, 70 is second only to Chicago in the Kander and Ebb score catalogue. I dont think theres a single bum number in the whole show, and almost all of them are enthralling. Ive been listening to the demo recording, which is almost as wonderful as the cast album, and it makes me wish for a revival.

[The Other One]

Posted: 12/22/18 at 1:18pm

Indecent was politically correct balm for these troubled times, but it is not a very good play.

Updated On: 12/22/18 at 01:18 PM

[alex814]

Posted: 12/22/18 at 2:19pm

theaterlyfe19 said: "Book of Mormon and The Band's Visit are overrated.

Lin-Manuel Miranda is everywhere, and it's a bit annoying. I don't deny he works so, so hard to get where he is, and he's done so much for the theater community. But I'd love to see his name a little less.

I love the first act of Hamilton. I get lost during the second."

I could get behind the LMM hypewagon if he was being celebrated for "In the Heights" as he is right now for "Hamilton," especially considering today's social climate.

[Niles Silvers]

Posted: 12/28/18 at 12:02am

I'm glad Julie Andrews did not get the Eliza role in the film version of My Fair Lady.  Frankly, her (almost) too sickeningly sweet demeanor would have been a bit much.  Audrey Hepburn was perfect for the role and brought just right amount of spice and star power.  She was also treated in a most unkind manner by the public and press at the time.  

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 12/28/18 at 8:59am

"While it wasn't the juggernaut of Hamilton (few shows have been), the fact that a small off-Broadway Latino-centric musical with no stars attached prominently featuring hip-hop music and an almost entirely sung-through score would go on to be a hit on Broadway, win 5 Tonys (including Best Musical) and be a Pulitzer nominee wasn't something that had ever happened before.  That's the very definition of "notable". 

My wife liked it better than "Hamilton", maybe that is an unpopular opinion - lol.

 

[WestEndGal]

Posted: 12/28/18 at 11:11am

yankeefan7 said: ""While it wasn't the juggernaut of Hamilton (few shows have been), the fact that a small off-Broadway Latino-centric musical with no stars attached prominently featuring hip-hop musicand an almost entirely sung-through score would go on to be a hit on Broadway, win 5 Tonys (including Best Musical) and be a Pulitzer nominee wasn't something that had ever happened before. That's the very definition of "notable".

My wife likedit better than "Hamilton", maybe that is an unpopular opinion - lol.

"

In The Heights >>> Hamilton for me also. I enjoyed Hamilton but idk, I was expecting so much more after all the hype.

Another unpopular opinion .... I just find Laura Osnes completely vanilla. She sings great, dances great, looks great, but it’s all just a bit too ‘perfect’ for me and I’d like to see her in a truly gritty role to see how she does. I find her a little hard to connect to.