RUBEN & CLAY’S FIRST ANNUAL CHRISTMAS CAROL FAMILY FUN PAGEANT SPECTACULAR REUNION SHOW- PREVIEW THREAD- Page 8

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 4:53pm

ggersten said: "Miles2Go2 said: "Ruben and Clay sold more tickets than Springsteen!"

In twice the amount of shows, and for an average ticket price of $463.71 less than Bruce... but true.

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 4:53pm
I love a lot of shows, but can either acknowledge their faults or accept that others don’t feel the same way. It’s something called “nuance.”
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Posted: 12/17/18 at 4:55pm

Broadway grosses says 4680 capacity = 585 per show but lets not split hairs. 

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 4:57pm

MassiveMeGo said: "Oh so the collective you hates the show because I don't hate it? Gotcha."

I'm completely indifferent to the show and the people in it, but since you keep spinning it like it's a beloved undiscovered treasure on here anytime any random fawning tweet appears, it has put it all on our radar as a result. Not in a way that makes us want to see it, of course... but if you didn't keep bumping the thread, I'm sure it would just take a bit of heat in the weekly grosses thread and be otherwise ignored as much online as it is offline.

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 4:58pm

MassiveMeGo said: "Miles2Go2 said: "And it’s only filling those seats by deeply discounting/comping those tickets. You do know people would be much more generous toward this show on here if you weren’t so intent on spinning every damning factoid in the show’s favor, right?"

Oh so the collective you hates the show because I don't hate it? Gotcha.
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Miles was pretty clear on what it was that got everyone else is being driven crazy by.  It's NOT the show itself....most of us haven't seen it and don't even have anything against it.  It's the way you are doggedly spinning everything so that you ignore the egg on your face.   YOU are the one that that claimed how awesome it was before it started, YOU are the one that insists are calling it a success by both critical and financial means -- even by being selective on what you choose to acknowledge. 

 

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
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Posted: 12/17/18 at 4:59pm

Hi all -  we'd appreciate if we could keep this discussion civil and about the show itself. 

MassiveMeGo, all our users are entitled to their opinions on the quality of the show, and while you're free to share yours, replying to each repeatedly may not be the most productive way to do so.

Thanks.

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 5:04pm

Moderator said: "Hi all - we'd appreciate if we could keep this discussion civil and about the show itself."

It's hard to talk about the show. No one is seeing it. Previews

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 5:11pm

I'll just say this and be done.

" It's NOT the show itself....most of us haven't seen it and don't even have anything against it."

 I can easily just ignore it, which I will, but if you didn't see it, don't plan to and only have negative opinions, I'm not the problem. 

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 5:33pm
Well, we can all agree that NONE of us on this thread are the reason it’s not doing well. None of us is that powerful nor are we powerful enough to turn it into a success.
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Posted: 12/17/18 at 5:55pm

haterobics said: "Moderator said: "Hi all - we'd appreciate if we could keep this discussion civil and about the show itself."

It's hard to talk about the show. No one is seeing it. Previews
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PMSL!

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Posted: 12/17/18 at 8:13pm
They played 8 shows last week and averaged a tad over $20k a show. Only got 12% of their possible potential grosses. The financials are an absolute disaster for this show whether you think the actual show is good or not.
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Posted: 12/18/18 at 2:59pm

The producers consider it a success. That's all that matters. 

Oof.  If that's true, it probably tells us why they shouldn't be Broadway producers.

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Posted: 12/18/18 at 3:02pm

Broadway Joe said: "They played 8 shows last week and averaged a tad over $20k a show. Only got 12% of their possible potential grosses. The financials are an absolute disaster for this show whether you think the actual show is good or not."

Yes, even if this WAS at the Hayes (smallest house) it would not be a financial success even if every seat was filled.

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
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Posted: 12/18/18 at 5:25pm

Okay, so this "annual" show will NOT be invited back to Broadway next year.

They would've done better at New World Stages, but the reviews were so bad that I was surprised that any producer would take this into NY.

The show could have an annual life in regional houses like La Mirada or Paper Mill if the damage isn't already done.

They should've made this a touring show that they could've worked on for a few years BEFORE bringing it to NY.

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Posted: 12/19/18 at 12:59am

Mister Matt said: "The producers consider it a success. That's all that matters.

Oof. If that's true, it probably tells us why they shouldn't be Broadway producers.
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Yea the same successful producers from last years hit "Home for the Holdiays? LOL

Btw, which show is the worse **** show?

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Posted: 12/19/18 at 11:26am

I saw it. It's not Shakespeare, but I was entertained. Yes it's corny and not really targeted to a NYC theater audience, but it was jolly and the voices were very good. Not everything on Broadway needs to be art and entertainment is so subjective. 

I just think it's a shame that so many posts on this board are about looking down on a show or seeing nothing but the faults. We've all been to shows that didn't succeed and that are misproduced... but as someone within the business, I can tell you that everyone is trying and even if it's not to your tastes... it doesn't mean the show is a disaster. It just means you didn't like it.

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Posted: 12/19/18 at 11:41am

myk said: "even if it's not to your tastes... it doesn't mean the show is a disaster."

Most comments in this thread are about it being a financial disaster, which isn't subjective.

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Posted: 12/19/18 at 11:54am

haterobics said: "myk said: "even if it's not to your tastes... it doesn't mean the show is a disaster."

Most comments in this thread are about it being a financial disaster, which isn't subjective.
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Well, it is doing better than HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

A Chorus Line revival played its final Broadway performance on August 17, 2008. The tour played its final performance on August 21, 2011. A new non-equity tour started in October 2012 played its final performance on March 23, 2013. Another non-equity tour launched on January 20, 2018. The tour ended its US run in Kansas City and then toured throughout Japan August & September 2018.
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Posted: 12/19/18 at 11:58am
Faint praise indeed...
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Posted: 12/20/18 at 11:41am

sueb1863 said: "I'll say it again, whoever told Aiken that it was a good idea to dye his hair gray or white needs a good talking to. He looks twenty years older. Plus it's probably scorching his hair."

It's his natural hair - he went prematurely all white.

 

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Posted: 12/20/18 at 11:43am

DivaBrigader said: "sueb1863 said: "I'll say it again, whoever told Aiken that it was a good idea to dye his hair gray or white needs a good talking to. He looks twenty years older. Plus it's probably scorching his hair."

It's his natural hair - he went prematurely all white.

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His hair went white when he looked at the financials for this show.  

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Posted: 12/20/18 at 11:51am

Larry6417 said: "Okay, so this "annual" show will NOT be invited back to Broadway next year."
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From day one we knew this was a 3 year contract. This year on Broadway and the next 2 on tour. Your pronouncements are late. By the way the NYT loved it. So did a few others. You can say it got bad reviews and it did but it got good reviews too and the audiences are raving about it which counts far more than any critics. 

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Posted: 12/20/18 at 12:12pm

Audiences raving about it only matters if they are getting people to buy tickets. Which apparently isn't happening. 

And no, from day one "we" didn't know this was a 3-year contract. A tour of this has never been announced. Not in the first press release, not in the last.  You are the only one who has been pushing that. 

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Posted: 12/20/18 at 12:27pm

MassiveMeGo said: "I'll just say this and be done."

Or not, I guess.

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Posted: 12/20/18 at 12:36pm

"the audiences are raving about it"

 

can I ask a SERIOUS question?

a theatre has 100 seats, and costs $100 to rent......

Now every ticket costs $1.

You only sell 12 tickets.  BUT you give away another 24 tickets, so the 12 people who purchased seats think they are surrounded by other ticket buyers.

Alll 36 people LOVE the show.

is it a hit?????  because you're still out the $88.

this is a BUSINESS.  and I would love to hear how the BUSINESS of this show made money.

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