Scott Rudin takedown - Page 15

[unclevictor]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 8:44pm

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Dolly80 said: "Interesting new quote from Olivio where she says that Hugh Jackman still taking this role now equates to him endorsing Rudins behaviour.

This isn’t gonna go away!"


Where does she say this?

Jackman dropping out of the production now is basically denying employment to everyone involved with that production. He is THE reason why the showis happening. I think it would be far worse for the people involvedif Jackman dropped out.

We will probably get to a point where Rudin refuses his stake in the production or directs it towards charities (and that is probably where Hugh comes into play as leverage); that doesn't stop some of his longtimeenablers from profiting, but this is nevergoing to be a perfect situation. And there are a lot of people with blood on their hands in this industry who don't even have an association with Rudin."

You’re right, there are a TON of people with blood on their hands which is exactly why Bush, Joey Parnes, Sue Wagner, and John Johnson can’t take over. Can’t, cant, can’t. Horrid people. Horrid. 
 

I feel terrible for Kevin. Shame on Rudin. Shame on his enablers.

Posted: 4/18/21 at 10:25pm

Dolly80 said: "Interesting new quote from Olivio where she says that Hugh Jackman still taking this role now equates to him endorsing Rudins behaviour.

This isn’t gonna go away!"

I'm starting to come around on the idea of never re-opening Broadway.

[fashionguru_23]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 9:28am

poisonivy2 said: "Don't forget Rudin just unemployed everyone who worked for Beetlejuice so he could have "his" theater."

I still think Beetlejuice was on the way out, despite it doing better at the box office towards the end of the run. What I will say is I love how if you are on TikTok or some of the other social media sites, a lot of "stan" are calling for no more revivals on Broadway, because of the Beetlejuice/The Music Man debacle.

 

[blaxx]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 5:15pm

https://deadline.com/2021/04/sutton-foster-scott-rudin-breaks-silence-music-man-broadway-star-1234739210/

This is an abridged version of Sutton Foster's response:

I didn't say anything earlier as I felt a had the right to think of this thoroughly. So now that I reflected on it, what I think is: yeah, no, for sure, like it's too bad, so yeah of course, yup. And Hugh probably thinks the same.

Thank you Sutton Foster! (Not)

Updated On: 4/19/21 at 05:15 PM

[JBroadway]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 5:40pm

Holy crap! Bob Roth actually confessed to writing that email: 

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Rob-Roth-Steps-Down-as-Director-of-BEAUTY-AND-THE-BEAST-UK-Tour-After-Email-to-Scott-Rudin-Goes-Public-20210419

He probably could've gotten away with denying it, considering there were plenty of reasons to take that evidence with a grain of salt. But I'm glad he owned up to it. 

Posted: 4/19/21 at 5:54pm

JBroadway said: "Holy crap! Bob Roth actually confessed to writing that email:

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Rob-Roth-Steps-Down-as-Director-of-BEAUTY-AND-THE-BEAST-UK-Tour-After-Email-to-Scott-Rudin-Goes-Public-20210419

He probably could've gotten away with denying it, considering there were plenty of reasons to take thatevidence with a grain of salt. But I'm glad he owned up to it."

We are really in a golden age of privacy violations. Roth has a private email read over his shoulder that is published without his consent. Rudin has his emails hacked at Sony and they are trawled through and made into news stories that paint him as a racist.

(And of course, not theater related, but the crowning achievement of privacy violations was the 2016 email hack of a certain Democratic campaign manager that was cheerfully and repeatedly reported on by the media whenever Wikileaks decided to release a batch.)

I do not like Rudin, but I am also not a two-wrongs-make-a-right type of person and I absolutely abhor when people's privacy is violated and used to smear them. Bob Roth is allowed to privately hate Karen Olivo if he wants, and he can be privately happy if she quits the industry. That is an absolutely fine opinion to hold, even if a lot of people disagree with it, and it is also a fine thing to privately send to someone else who probably dislikes her.

[MBFan]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 5:57pm

Exactly. It was a private email (which I thought was hilarious) and it was meant to be private! Ridiculous!

[blaxx]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 5:59pm

ctorres23 said: "JBroadway said: "Holy crap! Bob Roth actually confessed to writing that email:

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Rob-Roth-Steps-Down-as-Director-of-BEAUTY-AND-THE-BEAST-UK-Tour-After-Email-to-Scott-Rudin-Goes-Public-20210419

He probably could've gotten away with denying it, considering there were plenty of reasons to take thatevidence with a grain of salt. But I'm glad he owned up to it."

We are really in a golden age of privacy violations. Roth has a private email read over his shoulder that is published without his consent. Rudin has his emails hacked at Sony and they are trawled through and made into news stories that paint him as a racist.

(And of course, not theater related, but the crowning achievement of privacy violations was the 2016 email hack of a certain Democratic campaign manager that was cheerfully and repeatedly reported on by the media whenever Wikileaks decided to release a batch.)

I do not like Rudin, but I am also not a two-wrongs-make-a-right type of person and I absolutely abhor when people's privacy is violated and used to smear them. Bob Roth is allowed to privately hate Karen Olivo if he wants, and he can be privately happy if she quitsthe industry. That is an absolutely fine opinion to hold, even if a lot of people disagree with it, and it is also a fine thing to privately send to someone else who probably dislikes her."

No, love, you have it wrong. These documents just reinforce their behaviours, they don't simply expose bitchy gossip.  Stop talking like their faults were just what they shared in private communications. 

[BSKY]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 6:49pm

Any insight on Sam Mendes and The Lehman Trilogy?  I know Hugh Jackman and Music Man are a big focus, but isn't The Lehman Trilogy around the corner as well?  THR article stated Rudin and Mendes clashed - any word from him or that show?  

Personally, a 3 hour play about 3 rich white guys (who were also slave owners and whose company later played a major role in our financial crisis), doesn't feel like the right fit in this current environment, but maybe that's just me.  It might be an amazing show, I don't know.  I haven't seen it, so I am admittedly jumping to conclusions.  But mix what I assume it's about with Scott Rudin's backing in it, and it seems like a double whammy.  That being said, Mendes might very well be a victim of Rudin's behaviour as well.  I just find the story, the timing and one of the original producers enough to re-evaluate whether it's one to help relaunch Broadway.  Tho I do agree with other's in stating that it's terribly unfair for a team of innocent people to suffer without a job to prove a point to Rudin.  

[SmoothLover]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 7:08pm

This story just gets worse and worse.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 7:32pm

If you think no one knows who you are, but you have credits like Roth does, you are wrong. And also maybe get a privacy screen on your phone. Even people who are relative nobodies have those.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 7:32pm

ctorres23 said: "I do not like Rudin, but I am also not a two-wrongs-make-a-right type of person and I absolutely abhor when people's privacy is violated and used to smear them. Bob Roth is allowed to privately hate Karen Olivo if he wants, and he can be privately happy if she quitsthe industry. That is an absolutely fine opinion to hold, even if a lot of people disagree with it, and it is also a fine thing to privately send to someone else who probably dislikes her."

He was in public when he wrote that email. For all we know the person who observed the email as it was drafted ust happened to look up and see it. It's the risk you take when you do things in public. My agency prohibits us from working while in-transit due to the classified nature of our work. It was just his bad luck that it was someone who was aware of the controversy. 

Posted: 4/19/21 at 7:41pm

Fosse76 said: "He was in public when he wrote that email. For all we know the person who observed the email as it was drafted ust happened to look up and see it. It's the risk you take when you do things in public. My agency prohibits us from working while in-transit due to the classified nature of our work. It was just his bad luck that it was someone who was aware of the controversy."

Didn't mean it was illegal, just that it's unethical to spy on someone's phone and publish what you see. We've all been there, it's easy to fall into the trap of watching what someone types on a plane, but my point is: have some respect for other people's privacy.

Except my expectation is that the collective view on this would be "he does not deserve respect because of his wrongthink".

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 9:04pm

ctorres23 said "An anonymously sourced email transcribed by someone supposedly looking over Roth's shoulder as he typed it on a plane. Sounds super legit"

Except it was legit. It's cute you refuse to acknowledge you are wrong and are now barking about privacy laws. Haha. You and AR deserve each other. I hope he is having a ball down South and stays there. You only get on here to defend assholes and then disappear like magic.

Your time here appears about up, huh? No other man to defend and since you don't know anything about theater/never see shows/never contribute to theater discussions......

Bye!

Posted: 4/19/21 at 9:21pm

Sutton Ross said: "Except it was legit. It's cute you refuse to acknowledge you are wrong and are now barking about privacy laws."

I didn't know if it was real or fake, just that it was incredibly questionable to spread something with absolutely no source attached and, if it was true, came via unethical means.

In terms of my general love of theatre, I think I saw at least 20 shows in 2019. I've seen all the Best Musical nominees prior to the Tonys for the past 3-4 years (Bright Star breaks that streak). I do post about those sometimes, though my opinion tends to fall into the majority opinion on those things, so my contributions aren't as meaningful. But when it comes to the pitchfork stuff, this place tends to be an echo chamber, so I'm here to present the other side. That's all.

Sutton Ross said: "You and AR deserve each other."

As a side note, the suit against Ramasar was tossed out by a judge, Alexandra Waterbury is now being credibly countersued for three instances of domestic battery, and, years later, Ramasar is still the with the girl whose pictures he shared, and they seem to be as strong as ever. I'm feeling absolutely fine about defending him while the mob was losing their collective minds.

Updated On: 4/19/21 at 09:21 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 9:37pm

Poor, delusional girl. Good luck with him, I hope he doesn't leak even more of your nudes! 

Kisses. 

[unclevictor]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 9:44pm

Sutton! Sutton! Sutton!
Stop being rude cause u disagree!

[Dolly80]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 9:56pm

This is all too bizarre now! Someone sat beside him on the plane.. read his email me has broadcast it? And he didn’t even pretend to deny it?! I guess at least he showed some honesty there. What a dumb dumb. To even think those words to begin with, let alone put them in writing.

Updated On: 4/19/21 at 09:56 PM

Posted: 4/19/21 at 10:02pm

Dolly80 said: "Wait... what?! How did his email suddenly become public?!"

Someone took something that was private and shared it publicly without their consent. Sometimes that's fine and encouraged, other times it's utterly cancel-worthy. A lot depends on the victim's demographics. It's complicated.

[HeyMrMusic]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 10:58pm

Yeah, that’s an awful analogy. Both stories are about how toxic men hold power. Those who abuse their power by abusing or harassing or buddying up with people who do should have their power and privilege taken away from them. But okay, go on defending the privacy of terrible people.

I’m shocked Roth admitted to this at all, but I bet Disney was put under pressure to act swiftly.

Posted: 4/19/21 at 11:06pm

HeyMrMusic said: "But okay, go on defending the privacy of terrible people."

I will, thank you, yes. All people, the terrible included, deserve to not have their privacy invaded.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 11:14pm

ctorres23 said: "But when it comes to the pitchfork stuff, this place tends to be an echo chamber, so I'm here to present the other side. That's all."

There is an old saying that if you can keep a person talking, they will eventually give themselves up. I guess that's right. I wasn't exactly sure what your deal was but I had my suspicions. Now it's clear. No moral compass. The god you worship is the troll. 

PS, with your newly found spare time, maybe do some research on privacy. Trolling works much better when it is accurately grounded.

PS #2 I was thinking earlier this afternoon that all of this is starting to cry out for an opera. Seriously, I was. And what's a good opera without a troll under some bridge?

Updated On: 4/19/21 at 11:14 PM

[HeyMrMusic]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 11:21pm

We can agree that someone’s transcription of an email that was glanced at in public is a weird piece of evidence. Roth could have denied everything to the bitter end. But he didn’t and is taking the consequence. We should all be happy about people like him accepting consequences.

[HeyMrMusic]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 11:26pm

HogansHero, maybe Nico Muhly can do a follow up to Two Boys. I did like how the chorus was used as Internet trolls in that.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 11:29pm

HeyMrMusic said: "HogansHero, maybe Nico Muhly can do a follow up to Two Boys. I did like how the chorus was used as Internet trolls in that."

Brilliant. No Craig Lucas this time though.