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"Forgotten" musicals that mean the most to you?- Page 2

soulmistin
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#26
Posted: 1/31/21 at 2:10am

If/Then. I know, I know. It's widely hated, but I actually loved it when I saw it and still often listen to the recording.

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#27
Posted: 2/9/21 at 4:42am

Love Zombie Prom. I hope we get a larger-scale production of that sometime in the future.

I am in the minority, but Lestat has been on my mind a lot lately. Call me crazy, but I still think there's a good show in there. It was just so dense, and there were so many ballads that all sounded the same. Aside from the ending which they never could get right, I think Act II in both the San Fran and NY versions were good! It's just Act I that's the problem. So half the show.

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#28
Posted: 2/9/21 at 8:32am

soulmistin said: "If/Then. I know, I know. It's widely hated, but I actually loved it when I saw it and still often listen to the recording."

I'm with you. I loved it and the timing of it and where I was in life--fit me perfectly. 

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#29
Posted: 2/14/21 at 10:02pm

"Marlene".  I saw it opening night with Sian Phillips, who was magnificent in the role as Marlene. The pace was rather slow,  but I think a proper revival of this short-lived musical with the right actress would be wonderful. 

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#30
Posted: 2/15/21 at 11:01pm

Esther2 said: "CATSNYrevival said: "I'll go with Barnum. I know there are several cast albums and even a DVD with Michael Crawford but it has never received a revival on Broadway. The score is delightful and now it will likely forever be overshadowed by The Greatest Showman. And we'll likely see The Greatest Showman on Broadway before we ever get a revival of Barnum."

I loooove Barnum!!! I saw it on one of my week-long trips in the summer of 1980 and I loved it so much, I went back later in the week. Fell in love with Jim Dale.

Another show I still love listening to is I Love My Wife. A slight show, but I had fun seeing it, and I just love the cast recording. The band being part of the show was wonderful.
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Don't agree with you on Barnum...I just thought it was okay; but I totally agree with you re I Love My Wife.  What a wonderful show.  Unfortunately, I suspect that it is very dated at this point at this point and would probably never be revived.  The show was a hit and won 2 Tony's.  In fact, in competition with Annie, it won the Tony for Best Director of a musical.  Despite assuming it has aged badly, given the source of its humor ('almost' wife swapping), I would love to see a production somewhere.

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#31
Posted: 2/16/21 at 11:44am

Honestly, I don't know how dated it would be, in this age of polyamory being the latest thing. Arrange the music to sound a tad more current, update some topical references in the book... I Love My Wife could have a resurgence.

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#32
Posted: 2/17/21 at 7:36am

Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown. One of my all time favorite contemporary musical theatre scores.

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#33
Posted: 2/17/21 at 7:46am
ANYA (the original ANASTASIA musical) means a lot to me. I listen to it quite regularly and wish it had more of a life beyond its original Broadway production.
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#34
Posted: 2/17/21 at 9:45am

VivianDarkbloom2 said: "Lolita my Love" (it's a great score), "

I think LOLITA MY LOVE is a fascinating show with a mostly wonderful score. The York production in 2019 was quite good, and it was brave of them to attempt it in a moment filled with such histrionics. I think Lerner has gotten a bad rep as a misogynist junkie (And I often chuckle and gasp at the ridiculous, horrifying Dr. Feelgood stories. So bizarre.) and I hope that people focus on other aspects of his work someday. There’s a lot of great stuff there. 

Yes, MY FAIR LADY is about a misogynist. Yes, LOLITA is about a pedophile. That’s the point. They can be written about. I don’t think Lerner was cheering them on. 

Off the soapbox... 

 

 

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#35
Posted: 2/17/21 at 2:01pm

A guy named David Walcer did a revision of the Lolita, My Love script that was posted on Scribd and shared here a few years back. It dealt with the main problem the general public would have in about the only way one could; people would call it a cop-out, but hey, if it gets a good score presented...

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#36
Posted: 2/17/21 at 4:34pm

Did they go  with  "It  was all a dream" or something? Dolores turns out to have been 18 all along and just pretending to be 10? lol

Never heard the score, but the idea of turning Lolita into a musical isn't bad, at all. Need to listen to the OCR sometime.

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#37
Posted: 2/17/21 at 6:19pm
I know Lerner toyed with the show for a while after it closed, writing new lyrics for a framing device where Humbert is being psychoanalyzed in prison and the analyst gets the opening number. IMHO I feel like that's unnecessary, and they were very close to a decent solution with the Nickerson version, which is essentially that Humbert is kind of like the emcee, so everything happens through his eyes. This hews very close to the novel's use of Humbert as narrator and pseudo-confessor, where you literally have to struggle against his wit, charm, and agile obfuscations to see through to the actual horror story. In the musical, Humbert is kind of a sly, black-comedy stand-up comedian, but slowly the audience turns against him until he literally loses control in the road trip number, where Lolita escapes and the score becomes cacaphonous.

Nickerson's portrayal of grief and terror when she discovers that her mother is dead and her stepfather now controls her life is absolutely harrowing and gives a lot of weight to the second half of the show. I think the best version of the show would lean into that element of Humbert losing control of the narrative and his hold over the audience, rather than bluntly inserting a psychologist, but that would also entail better writing than the show currently has. Still, the ending is totally chilling, with the chorus singing "Lolita, come home" as you realize that she no longer has a home or family because of Humbert.
Updated On: 2/17/21 at 06:19 PM
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#38
Posted: 2/17/21 at 8:31pm

"This hews very close to the novel's use of Humbert as narrator and pseudo-confessor, where you literally have to struggle against his wit, charm, and agile obfuscations to see through to the actual horror story."

I was about to type this when I got to this place in  your post. I don't get how people can miss this--and even the Kubrick movie is controlled by Humbert's voice over (as A Clockwork Orange is by Alex's). Nabokov makes very clear that he's employing an unreliable narrator, and of course there's the prologue by "John Ray, Jr."

"Humbert is kind of a sly, black-comedy stand-up comedian, but slowly the audience turns against him until he literally loses control in the road trip number, where Lolita escapes and the score becomes cacaphonous." I think this is the perfect way to deal with the characterization. 

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#39
Posted: 2/17/21 at 8:40pm

Scrambled Feet. I still periodically, including today, break into songs from it. 

"Hats and furs and boas are bucking down Broadway..."

"Stop the show I'm walking in late at the Top of the Village Gate..."

Another show: The Rink. Always, The Rink.

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#40
Posted: 2/17/21 at 11:21pm

joevitus said: "Did they go with "It was all a dream" or something? Dolores turns out to have been 18 all along and just pretending to be 10? lol."

Actually, he stuck with Humbert as the emcee and all that you and Kringas have discussed, but at the, er, point of no return, after he's dosed her with pills... well, let me copy-paste (I still have the draft):

(Lights down on QUILTY. HUMBERT returns to the room and approaches the bed quietly. He stares at LOLITA. After a moment he presses down on the mattress a few times to see if it wakes her. Bounce - Bounce… Nothing. He turns on the radio and slowly increases the volume up and down… Nothing. He picks up the radio and holds it above her head… Nothing. He takes off his coat and begins to unbutton his shirt. When he suddenly stops. The following P.V.O. [pre-recorded voice-over] begins. He sits down beside her on the bed. He replaces the last two buttons he undid, closes his eyes, and slowly glides his hand over her without touching her.)

Music Cue No. 15 – “Tell Me”

HUMBERT (P.V.O.): The corner of my eye caught the singular friendly ray of moonlight that peered through the filthy window, setting the downy hairs on her arm ablaze in an angelic aura. My pulse increased to a speed beyond measure. I was actually here. I had finally returned to the moment I had lost 23 long years before. Every detail, every plan I had labored in my demented little mind had transpired without deviation. And here, once all the stars had magically aligned, whaddya know folks…

HUMBERT: …I just couldn’t do it.

To quote my previous post, "It dealt with the main problem the general public would have in about the only way one could; people would call it a cop-out, but hey, if it gets a good score presented..."

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#41
Posted: 2/18/21 at 1:05am

Wow. Direly bad ending. 

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#42
Posted: 2/18/21 at 7:42am

joevitus said: "Wow. Direly bad ending."

Agreed. I mean if you feel like you have to change the story in such a crucial way, just pick something else to adapt. And it's just the sort of chickensh*t thing you would expect a musical of Lolita to do. 

 

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#43
Posted: 2/18/21 at 9:37am

A few shows that hold special places in mind/heart: Curtains, Tarzan (I loved the creativity, and score).

However, a show that I don't think gets enough credit is "No Strings". A show that said something, without coming out and saying it. I love the score, the idea of there actually being "no strings" in the orchestration, Diahann Carroll, the simplicity, etc. 

 

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