Patti’s Tweet- Page 2
Patti’s Tweet
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#25
Posted: 7/19/19 at 2:15pm
Shes not REALLY trying to out him, I think she's just trying to insult him -- which I think makes her tweet worse.
And if she is, its certainly not the first time someone has suggested it.
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#26
Posted: 7/19/19 at 2:21pm
Mike Barrett said: "Oh I certainly don’t disagree he’s a power hungry closeted gay, I also don’t disagree there are closeted politicians who are anti gay. I’m just saying what Patti did here doesn’t help anytbing at all and makes her look terrible. Just my opinion. As a gay man, (obviously one who wouldn’t vote against myself however), I’d be appalled if someone ever tried outing me that publicly. It’s one thing gay are able to control in a life where some things have been out of our control. There are a million other things to attack Lindsey graham on."
I would agree with you. There's no context for throwing in something about Graham's sexuality in this matter. There are those who will reject outright anything else in her tweet because of that, so it does her a disservice. It also enables Graham to be painted as a victim, and if there's one thing he's learned about during his senate career, it's victimization; doing it rather than receiving it, that is. Better to focus on THAT message, I'd say.
#27
Posted: 7/19/19 at 2:40pmYep exactly all around. I think she was insulting him as well so frankly I’m not surprised she’s being labeled as homophobic. Very distasteful
#28
Posted: 7/19/19 at 2:42pm
One more shading on this subject is that (as noted above) Graham at some point made a very dramatic shift in his public perspective on the cantaloupe in chief. There is much speculation on why, including that he was told they had the goods on him and would come after him if he didn't get in line.
Huss417
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#29
Posted: 7/19/19 at 2:45pm
Mike Barrett said: "Yep exactly all around. I think she was insulting him as well so frankly I’m not surprised she’s being labeled as homophobic. Very distasteful"
LuPone has done a lot for the Gay community and for AIDS charities. If she is homophobic I am more in the closet then Graham.
"I hope your Fanny is bigger than my Peter."
Mary Martin to Ezio Pinza opening night of Fanny.
#30
Posted: 7/19/19 at 2:50pm
Huss417 said: "Mike Barrett said: "Yep exactly all around. I think she was insulting him as well so frankly I’m not surprised she’s being labeled as homophobic. Very distasteful"
LuPone has done a lot for the Gay community and for AIDS charities. If she is homophobic I am more in the closet thenGraham.
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See the issue here is I’m not familiar with Lupone’s background other than her stage work, and neither is everyone. When you see a tweet like this, what else am I led to believe? I don’t perosnally believe she’s homophobic, but my 61 year old mother sure does. That’s the problem with this tweet in the first place, it’s as distasteful as you can get.
yankeefan7
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/14/12
#31
Posted: 7/19/19 at 2:53pm
"Rand Paul, do us all a big favor. Don’t set foot in NYC. You too are a National disgrace. Maybe your neighbor had a point?"
Is that a threat Ms. Lupone? So now you are in favor of violence against US Senator if he disagrees with you. BTW - Rand Paul is not saying we should not fund the 9/11 victims, he just wants to know how we intend to pay for it.
BroadwayRox3588
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/5/16
#32
Posted: 7/19/19 at 3:18pm
Call_me_jorge said: "I thought this was gonna be about Patti murin.... patti Lupone could tweet anything and I’d still love her."
So if Murin had said the exact same thing, you would have a problem with it? Okay, because that logic makes sense.
AngusN
Broadway Star Joined: 3/23/05
#33
Posted: 7/19/19 at 3:34pm
Jacaranda2 said: "Graham is an enemy of the LGBTQ community. He deserves to be called out. THANK YOU, Patti LuPone! You speak for me."
Called out for his despicable behaviour? Yes, absolutely. But called out for being gay? No! It should never be used as an insult, otherwise you are just as guilty of homophobia as those that you criticise. In a time when the LGBTQ community are coming under attack from many, we should be making positive associations with the word ‘gay’, not negative.
Back Row
Leading Actor Joined: 4/14/12
#34
Posted: 7/19/19 at 4:10pm
There are those who think Graham is compromised and that is why he has done the about face with Trump. They think that Graham must be hiding something, and they assume it his his sexuality. Personally, I think his sexual identity is irrelevant in this context, and that makes Patti Lupone's comment not only unnecessary, but ill advised.
Assuming that Graham is compromised because he may be in the closet gives Graham far more credit than he deserves. It makes him a victim twice over, once for whatever secrets he may be compromised over, and once for being called out for that possibility. He does not deserve victim status, and posts like Patti Lupone's give that to him. He is simply a reprehensible dirtbag. Nothing more. Nothing less. Whether or not he is a gay reprehensible dirtbag is irrelevant.
Here's my latest theory on Graham: He's exactly like Trump. Trump has no core principals. He only believes in one thing: Donald Trump. The mistake that many make about Lindsey Graham is that they assume that he believes in something other than the political preservation of Lindsey Graham. He doesn't. It will always be Lindsey for Lindsey. That's it. That's as deep as he gets. Just like Trump. Graham shapes is own political profile to match whatever alpha male he has attached himself to at the time. For years that was McCain. As McCain's health faded, Graham had no problem switching his allegiance to the next Alpha male looking for a lap dog, like a Vegas showgirl latching on to the next high roller that comes along. That's why it was so easy for Graham to sit on the sidelines while Trump trashed John McCain. McCain was no use to Graham anymore. He's dead. Why should Graham care? When McCain was alive, Graham was able to cobble together some sense of relevance by following him around like a lost puppy. His political life was a product of his allegiance to McCain. Since Graham began his service as Trump's lap dog, his polls in South Carolina are skyrocketing. And that's the point. People keep looking for some deeper meaning to Graham's turnaround, but it's really no more complicated than doing and saying whatever has to in order to get re-elected. When you never believed in anything in the first place, it's easy.
#35
Posted: 7/19/19 at 4:31pm
Mike Barrett said: "Huss417 said: "Mike Barrett said: "Yep exactly all around. I think she was insulting him as well so frankly I’m not surprised she’s being labeled as homophobic. Very distasteful"
LuPone has done a lot for the Gay community and for AIDS charities. If she is homophobic I am more in the closet thenGraham.
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See the issue here is I’m not familiar with Lupone’s background other than her stage work, and neither is everyone. When you see a tweet like this, what else am I led to believe? I don’t perosnally believe she’s homophobic, but my 61 year old mother sure does. That’s the problem with this tweet in the first place, it’s as distasteful as you can get."
Again, a fair point. Not everyone follows Lupone's career to the point where they know how supportive she is to the LGBTQ community. People can do shorthand with assumptions about her based solely on this tweet. and then disregard anything else she ever says. It's not fair, but it's reality, and by saying this Patti is actually giving the wrong impression of HER. She's not even being fair to herself, so everyone loses.
#36
Posted: 7/19/19 at 6:27pm
Oh come on. Folx have been making this joke for years. If anyone is upset she's doing it, then they just want to be upset at Patti. (Y'all must have missed Nico Muhly's tweets...I wonder if I can link them or if the moderator will take them down.)
Lindsey's gay and awful, and we don't want him.
#37
Posted: 7/19/19 at 7:01pm
Kad said: "I honestly don't care what anybody says about Lindsey Graham, who has done far more harm to this country than LuPone ever could with a mean tweet."
Amen! But I think LuPone meant "bite the pillow" not "bite the bullet", don't you?
#38
Posted: 7/19/19 at 7:02pm
BJR said: "Oh come on. Folx have been making this joke for years. If anyone is upset she's doing it, then they just want to be upset at Patti. (Y'all must have missed Nico Muhly's tweets...I wonder if I can link them or if the moderator will take them down.)
Lindsey's gay and awful, and we don't want him.
Not everyone knows that or pays attention, but Patti's tweet is getting lots of attention; it's news and could be many people's first strong impression of her. I agree that Graham is an awful person, but why does the possibility of his being gay have to be brought into it?
#39
Posted: 7/19/19 at 7:06pm
Mike Barrett said: "I hate Lindsey Graham as much as the next person but what a distasteful and ignorant comment on her end. There's no proof he's gay, and everyone has a right to come out when they want to. Frankly this is incredibly distasteful and disgusting of her."
Frankly, I find your homophobia far more "distasteful and disgusting".
How is calling Graham gay any different from calling him fair, honest or good at his job? He may be none of those things, but neither are they insults.
#40
Posted: 7/19/19 at 7:18pm
Amen! But I think LuPone meant "bite the pillow" not "bite the bullet", don't you?"
This made me choke. Bravo.
"Sticks and stones, sister. Here, have a Valium." - Patti LuPone, a Memoir
#41
Posted: 7/19/19 at 7:27pm
GavestonPS said: "Mike Barrett said: "I hate Lindsey Graham as much as the next person but what a distasteful and ignorant comment on her end. There's no proof he's gay, and everyone has a right to come out when they want to. Frankly this is incredibly distasteful and disgusting of her."
Frankly, I find your homophobia far more "distasteful and disgusting".
How is calling Graham gay any different from calling him fair, honest or good at his job? He may be none of those things, but neither are they insults."
What in that statement is "homophobic"? And let's be realistic: you may believe calling a man gay is no different than calling him fair, honest and good but that's not true. Fair, honest and good are words that have only positive connotations but calling someone gay is not a benign term. There are plenty of people who will respond to someone labeled by that word with discrimination, hatred or worse. That is why some people, possibly Graham himself, are closeted. Fair, honest and good don't have inherent risks tied to them for the recipient of such compliments.
I will add, just look at the way Lupone used that word. It was not in a warm, accepting or welcoming way. It was used as a means to "out" him in a snide, mocking, accusatory manner intended to embarrass him, i.e., in a negative way. She was not being fair, honest or good when she chose to do that.
#42
Posted: 7/19/19 at 7:39pmAs usual the so called ‘progressive’ ‘woke’ people try to make a big deal out of nothing. Patti LuPone knows more about gay people and gay rights than any person here, gay or gay, could ever aspire. Show some respect for this gay icon and go and discuss what you know more about: which 38th elphaba replacement has the best defying gravity riffs #yass queen
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
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#43
Posted: 7/19/19 at 8:53pm
qolbinau said: "As usual the so called ‘progressive’ ‘woke’ people try to make a big deal out of nothing. Patti LuPone knows more about gay people and gay rights than any person here, gay or gay, could ever aspire. Show some respect for this gay icon and go and discuss what you know more about: which 38th elphaba replacement has the best defying gravity riffs #yass queen"
Totally unnecessary snark. However, you've included a mocking homophobic trope that shows disdain for people who are simply sharing opinions.
#44
Posted: 7/19/19 at 9:08pm
GavestonPS said: "How is calling Graham gay any different from calling him fair, honest or good at his job? He may be none of those things, but neither are they insults."
The insult is not that he is gay; that is not an insult. The insult is that he is a closeted gay who attempts to occlude a preference (of which he would be proud if he were healthy) by being anti-LGBTQ. This is a pathology that goes back generations (or more) and in modern scenarios is addressed at length under the expression "lavender bund" as it relates to gay men from Roy Cohn forward. Instead of insulting him by calling him gay (which would be homophobia and is not involved here), he is being insulted for being a Roy Cohn Clone. And there are not a lot of more insulting things one can call a person. Well, we are working on that I guess, but in American political history.
Jarethan
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/10/11
#45
Posted: 7/19/19 at 9:42pm
HogansHero said: "GavestonPS said: "How is calling Graham gay any different from calling him fair, honest or good at his job? He may be none of those things, but neither are they insults."
The insult is not that he is gay; that is not an insult. The insult is that he is a closeted gay who attempts to occlude apreference (of which he would be proud if he were healthy) by being anti-LGBTQ. This is a pathology that goes back generations (or more) and in modern scenarios is addressed at length under the expression "lavender bund" as it relates to gay men from Roy Cohn forward. Instead of insulting him by calling him gay (which would be homophobia and is not involved here), he is being insulted for being a Roy Cohn Clone. And there are not a lot of more insulting things one can call a person. Well, we are working on that I guess, but in American political history.
Totally agree.
Jarethan
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/10/11
#46
Posted: 7/19/19 at 10:08pm
I would add one thing. I am totally on Patti's side because I am so disgusted with what is happening in DC and how it is negatively impacting the entire country. The Trump base is too stupid to appreciate the reality there.
In any event, I have no doubt that something triggered her (it does to me too often), and you don't always choose your words carefully when you are disgusted so much. Whether she used the right words or another point IMO was that she was saying that he should be disgusted with himself for his behavior, and it is time for him to grow some.
bk
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/03
#47
Posted: 7/19/19 at 10:31pm
She was being who she's been and always will be. The hand-wringing here and from the right is typical, though.
#48
Posted: 7/19/19 at 10:52pm
Jarethan said: "I would add one thing. I am totally on Patti's side because I am so disgusted with what is happening in DC and how it is negatively impacting the entire country. The Trump base is too stupid to appreciate the reality there.
In any event, I have no doubt that something triggered her (it does to me too often), and you don'talways choose your words carefully when you are disgusted so much. Whether she used the right words or another point IMO was that she was saying thathe should be disgusted with himself for his behavior, and it is time for him to grow some."
If that's what she meant she should have said that. Whether one is disgusted or not, once you say something you are fully responsible for your words. DT consistently minimizes, distorts or deflects the meaning of his words to avoid accountability. Are you saying Lupone should do the same thing?
I'm disgusted with Trump and what's happening in DC. If something "triggers" me I take a moment to consider outcomes. I don't just blast someone. Patti didn't just say she was disgusted with someone's behavior, she outed someone in a vindictive, demeaning manner. Justifying that because of the behavior of someone else doesn't justify anything. It's just excusing unacceptable behavior.
