Valentina3 said: "Call_me_jorge said: "Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if we got a remake of this and other golden era musicals, like The King and I."
Both these stories are so deeply problematic by today's sensibilities that any actual movie remake would require a modern perspective. MFL is easier to make feminist (she makes the choice to go to Higgins, and doesn't back down etc.), so with right leads - it can be a fantastic film. Do think they
Is that some kind of code for having lost a ton of money? 296 performances is not a nice run, not for a big, lavish Broadway musical, jukebox or otherwise.
Jarethan is correct - a lot of producer vanity. I remember when the Sarah Jessica Parker Once Upon a Mattress opened to horrid reviews and little business - it should have closed instantly, but the Dodgers kept it going way past its expiry date and lost even more money. 188 performances.
You all know this was supposed to happen two years ago, right? And the plug was pulled. But the gentleman responsible for this knows not from no and I'm sure it's been a relentless two years.
joevitus said: "It's anecdotal and you can't demonstrate you did, only that you heard it. Funny that no book anywhere from that time by and for gay men includes it.
Look, you clearly need to win this issue. So say something more, I won't respond and you can feel good about yourself. It seems more important to you (and others) than me."
You know, Joe, enough already. It is not I who needs to win - I have nothing to win. I and others
joevitus said: "The fact that you're trying to convince me of a phrase long in use with no actual documentation--and the "sources" all come from the 90's and hypothesize a tradition without documenting it--is your problem."
What about "I heard the expression in 1969 (and probably before that) when I lived in NY" do you not understand? 1969 isn't the 90's. Tootsie controversy Aug 1
2019, 01:29:46 AM
joevitus said: "Yeah, pointing out there's no record of a phrase before the 90's is a sign of needing help. Oh, honey, you need to stop diagnosing."
As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, the phrase has been in use for decades - you've been pointed to articles and your response is "bad footnotes." I've heard the phrase many times, starting when I lived in NY in 1969. So, sorry, there IS a record - I'M a record. &nbs
joevitus said: "No, they really didn't. And if you can point to one historical artifact that supports it, I'd love to see it. You're talking to a guy obsessed with queer history and culturehere. Obsessed with etymology of gay slang and the history of its development.Didn't happen. Pretty sure phrase was invented around 1993. Unless it's something that was big in other countries and their sailing vessels, not the US (I don't know EVERYTHING)."
HogansHero said: "@bk, making every thread I post in in response to you about me is what's boring. I gather the answer is no. The point being that what you added was hearsay, and there is a reason hearsay is considered unreliable. Was Biskind's information hearsay? You bet, but you can't disprove hearsay with hearsay any more than you can disprove one fact with another fact (which is, you may notice, what you were attempting). Hence my question.
HogansHero said: "bk said: "It all comes from Peter Biskind's book, and, you know, he wasn't there."
were you?
(just askin'"
He's baaaaack. I printed a list, a litany of people who said the guy made stuff up, got stuff wrong, and had an agenda. And the best you can do, as always, is selectively quote to make some
greensgreens said: "She threw a cup of her urine at Roman Polanski during the Chinatown shoot, although I heard that was "somewhat" deserved. So,she's been a "spitfire" for the majority of her career.I've always felt sorry for Dunaway - her actionshave long eclipsed her talent and opportunities (both werequite substantial). And, as someone who deals with mental illness, I certainly hope her actions are more a result of that than true, rational, purposeful
Jeremy Sams is a jack-of-all trades and I'm not sure why Sondheim would pair up with another composer/lyricist, which Sams, aside from being an occasional director is. He's quite a good composer, although he clearly worships at the Sondheim altar in his film scores. His best film work was for Hyde Park on Hudson. I corresponded with him for a while, as I was hoping to get one of his film scores to release.
HogansHero said: "bk said: "No, it was Lehman's idea. He was the writer, not the director. If Sondheim states that in the documentary, well, I'd have to watch it, but he never said anything to Mr. Lehman about it ever."
I take the first part of what you say as a guess based on your impression of his role (BTW it is not unheard if for a director to have an idea), but unless you were party to every conversation between the two of them, you have no
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2019, 04:13:54 AM
Sally Durant Plummer said: "Sondheim states inFinishing the Hatthat he wanted to switch those musical numbers and Robbins finally relented to try it for a preview performance. Because of the sets, it proved impossible and it was never performed like that in front of an audience. Sondheim was excited when the film used his idea, but later disavowed it, stating that the original was less realistic, but worked in a way that the film placement didn't.
They didn't just add the movie songs to the 1998 revival, which I loathed - they cut songs from the stage version and not for the good of the show, IMO. The original book and score are brilliant - they didn't need anybody's help.
Jul 21
2019, 07:18:51 PM
The Other One said: "I believe Sondheim has said that he originally wanted Krupke and Cool to be placed as they are in the film, but he was the only one of the original creators who felt that way and he came around to seeing things as they did. I imagine that the current film will restore the original order. Does anyone know for sure if this is so?"
I answered this question two posts above yours - did you not read it? I have neither heard nor
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