Is TKAM still scheduled to reopen on June 1 with Kinnear ?

[David10086]

Posted: 5/22/22 at 11:24pm

I haven't heard much about TKAM opening on June 1 as planned at the Belasco Theater. Is is still scheduled to open on time ? Is Greg Kinnear still with the project ? 

 

It seems like a quick turn-around time for 'Girl' to close and move out, and TKAM to open on June 1. 

[yyys]

Posted: 5/22/22 at 11:28pm

doubtful, nothing's on sale...

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 5/22/22 at 11:29pm

Girl From the North Country is currently scheduled to close on June 19, and from what I hear, Mockingbird is not reopening on Broadway. 

 

Updated On: 5/22/22 at 11:29 PM

[David10086]

Posted: 5/22/22 at 11:38pm

EDSOSLO858 said: "Girl From the North Countryis currently scheduled to close on June 19, and from what I hear,Mockingbirdis not reopening on Broadway."

Oh no! I thought "Girl" was closing next weekend for some reason. I can't believe TKAM won't be reopening on B'way. I've was hoping to catch it this summer. 

Thanks for the info ! 

 

[Dollypop]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 6:20am

People are assuming that MOCKINGBIRD is dead but there's been no official word.

Updated On: 5/23/22 at 06:20 AM

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 9:02am

I seriously doubt it. I mean, there's not even group sales starting up, and it's almost the summer? Can't imagine it'll happen until at least the fall, but I doubt it'll return at all. 

[bwayphreak234]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 9:12am

I would be shocked if this returned. It had a nice run (especially for a play in a large house). I think it will do very well on the road too.

[bfreak]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 9:19am

I don’t think this is reopening, but I’m still surprised at how abruptly this closed. It had been doing so well and then seemingly fell apart over night. It’s always better in hindsight, but it would’ve worked out more if they had just made it a limited return engagement with Jeff Daniels/Celia Keenan Bolger. 
 

Also, if you had told me when they announced its closing that Girl From the North Country would reopen and Mockingbird would never return, I definitely wouldn’t have believed it at the time (based on box office alone).

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 10:45am

This is all such a strange situation. But being that beancounters are in charge now post-Rudin, it has always seemed surprising that they would try to move/reopen. Kinnear is not a money name (as I've been saying for 2.5 years now) and it's pretty hard to get a bona fide STAR willing to replace a performance as acclaimed as Jeff Daniels. They should have gone out on a high note in January.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 12:51pm

bfreak said: "I don’t think this is reopening, but I’m still surprised at how abruptly this closed. It had been doing so well and then seemingly fell apart over night. It’s always better in hindsight, but it would’ve worked out more if they had just made it a limited return engagement with Jeff Daniels/Celia Keenan Bolger.


Also, if you had told me when they announced its closing that Girl From the North Country would reopen and Mockingbird would never return, I definitely wouldn’t have believed it at the time (based on box office alone)."

It's closing was abrupt because Kinnear was I'll and the box office was doling out refunds. 

I think Kinnear played only one or two performances.

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 1:58pm

I don’t we should expect this to return, nor should we expect them to announce they aren’t returning. 

[Auggie27]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 2:28pm

Richard Thomas might’ve been useful to the Broadway production in 2022. His profile and name recognition sell. Kinnear - not even a stage actor, and not a film star who can open a movie - seemed chosen in the pre pandemic climate when the play was star, too. I saw Christopher Invar the closing weekend on for Kinnear and he was superb by any yardstick. Mentioned only to support the idea that that play is a powerful night - future productions - with a actor, not necessarily a star presence.The proposed move seemed odd, and now only odder. 

Updated On: 5/23/22 at 02:28 PM

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 2:55pm

Auggie27 said: "Richard Thomas might’ve been useful to the Broadway production in 2022. His profile and name recognition sell. Kinnear - not even a stage actor, and not a film star who can open a movie - seemed chosen in the pre pandemic climate when the play was star, too."

No, Richard Thomas would not have been remotely useful to the Broadway production. Richard Thomas is not a star, and he doesn't "sell." Greg Kinnear isn't a major ticket-selling star either, but he's far more interesting than Richard Thomas (a reliable actor who is overexposed on the NY stage and hasn't had any kind of notable screen work in decades).

The problem is that there's a finite audience for plays. The play is now on tour, where the tourists can see it. And a lot of New Yorkers already saw Jeff Daniels (twice) and/or Ed Harris. Kinnear or Thomas or whoever is not going to be enough to bring mass audiences back a second or third time, and no MAJOR star (Tom Hanks, Adam Driver, Woody Harrelson, George Clooney, etc etc etc) would want to follow in Daniels' footsteps. Lord knows Rudin tried –– Ed Harris and Greg Kinnear are not first-choice replacement names. Let it close.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 4:20pm

...and if Hugh Jackman decides to try his hand at Atticus?????

[David10086]

Posted: 5/23/22 at 7:34pm

Thank you all for this information and discussion. Another question - does anyone know how Kinnear does at the end of this ? Do they end up paying him a good chunk of his contract or some other kind of 'settlement' ?  I'm not  a Kinnear fan, but I do feel bad for him (or any actor) put into this situation. 

[jo]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 10:42am

Dollypop said: "...and if Hugh Jackman decides to try his hand at Atticus?????"is 

One of Hugh's  degrees is in dramatic theatre ( not musical theatre) and many have noticed a similarity in looks and stance with Gregory Peck.

He is also very natural working with very young people in films (Logan/RealSteel/etc)

 

Updated On: 5/24/22 at 10:42 AM

[dramamama611]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 10:56am

David10086 said: "Thank you all for this information and discussion. Another question - does anyone know how Kinnear does at the end of this ? Do they end up paying him a good chunk of his contract or some other kind of 'settlement' ? I'm not a Kinnear fan, but I do feel bad for him (or any actor) put into this situation."

If the show doesn't re-open, I'm guessing he won't get anything. Shows get cancelled all the time - I don't believe there is any financial compensation in those cases. (Of course, it's possible that there is clause about this in his contract.)

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 11:27am

As most principal actors have, Kinnear has a pay-for-play contract so he gets paid for the full contract he agreed and signed for. Even if he’s fired, or the play closes early, he is still paid his full contract agreement.  Principal actors will not sign any contract without that agreement.  

[JSquared2]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 12:12pm

BrodyFosse123 said: "As most principal actors have, Kinnear has a pay-for-play contract so he gets paid for the full contract he agreed and signed for. Even if he’s fired, or the play closes early, he is still paid his full contract agreement. Principal actors will not sign any contract without that agreement."

 

100% incorrect.  Broadway performers (not even Hugh Jackman and Bette Midler) do NOT have "pay or play" deals.  If the show closes early or doesn't open they get paid up to their contractual 2 weeks, as per the AEA Production Contract..  Please don't speak to things you know nothing about.  

[dramamama611]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 12:32pm

Oh, where oh where is Hogan?  He'll put an end to this!

[JBroadway]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 12:32pm

jo said: "One of Hugh's degrees is in dramatic theatre ( not musical theatre)"

He has also proven himself as a dramatic actor professionally many times over, including a couple of dramas onstage. I don't think anyone is doubting his dramatic chops! 

 

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 12:33pm

BrodyFosse123 said: "As most principal actors have, Kinnear has a pay-for-play contract so he gets paid for the full contract he agreed and signed for. Even if he’s fired, or the play closes early, he is still paid his full contract agreement. Principal actors will not sign any contract without that agreement."

I swear the first I've heard of pay-or-play contracts on Broadway is alleged the one Beanie has. I need more definitive proof that this is actually a common thing beyond film/TV. 

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 12:42pm

Pay or play is very uncommon on Broadway –– especially since Kinnear's agents would have now renegotiated his contract with Barry Diller & Orin Wolf 2x. There might be some other type of "deal sweetener" or holding fee in there, but not a film-style pay-or-play (and even that is becoming rarer in movieworld these days).

Unless people are talking about Beanie getting paid even if she takes a sick/vacation day while the show is still running, which is quite different than the pay-or-play being discussed.

HOWEVER, even if they did have to pay out Kinnear $X sum if the show doesn't reopen, that is still a lot cheaper than reopening and then running at a loss.

Updated On: 5/24/22 at 12:42 PM

[JSquared2]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 2:54pm

everythingtaboo said: "BrodyFosse123 said: "As most principal actors have, Kinnear has a pay-for-play contract so he gets paid for the full contract he agreed and signed for. Even if he’s fired, or the play closes early, he is still paid his full contract agreement. Principal actors will not sign any contract without that agreement."

I swear the first I've heard of pay-or-play contracts on Broadway is alleged the one Beanie has. I need more definitive proof that this is actually a common thing beyond film/TV."

 

Beanie doesn't have one either.

 

[David10086]

Posted: 5/24/22 at 10:30pm

dramamama611 said: "Oh, where oh where is Hogan? He'll put an end to this!"

I’m thinking the same thing. Hope he shows up.