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inception said: "Also, worth noting that certain people who always crap on Olivo, seem to be first in line to disparage any performer of color."

Ill take my white hood off briefly to ask if you can name any other instance where a performer of color was singled out for attendance issues on these boards (let alone by me)? Ridiculous beyond belief.

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I have seen MR 3 times and loved every time; she was in it all three times.  She gave fine performances all three times.  I have never felt, however, that she was critical to the show's success.  I personally believe anyone of a certain age with talent could succeed in that role.  

It is not like it's Dolly, Mame, Charity, Evita, Reno Sweeney, etc., etc.  MR is an ensemble show IMO if ever there was one. Since she is not a box office attraction, she had better watch out, as she is replaceable; and this of all the great publicity if MR fired their leading lady for a poor attendance track record.

 
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EvaLyn said: "To be fair to Karen, who I saw in Moulin Rouge both times I saw it and in West Side Story both times I saw it, Satine is a really vocally and physically demanding role.

I actually would love to see any of her understudies though, so if there is any preplanned missed shows for her, is there a place to check? And is SRO the only option for cheap tickets aside from the lotto at the moment (is last minute cheap Stubhub a possibility?)
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Ticketmaster does have notices on days when Karen is going to be out.  I was just looking at purchasing tickets for 2/12 and there's a note saying "At this performance, Karen Olivo will not appear in the role of Satine."  Strange, that week they also don't have their usual Tuesday show.  

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EvaLyn said: "To be fair to Karen, who I saw in Moulin Rouge both times I saw it and in West Side Story both times I saw it, Satine is a really vocally and physically demanding role.

I actually would love to see any of her understudies though, so if there is any preplanned missed shows for her, is there a place to check? And is SRO the only option for cheap tickets aside from the lotto at the moment (is last minute cheap Stubhub a possibility?)
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I’m pretty sure her standby, Ashley Loren, covers all Tuesday shows now. So, Karen only does 7 a week (to my knowledge) 

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When I saw Hamilton Chicago in the summer of 2017 she was out. Don't know the track record she had on that, but its a guarantee that no matter what show she is in, no matter when I go to see it, I will see Karen Olivo's Understudy..

In The Heights - U/S (Krista Rodriguez was AMAZING)

West Side Story - U/S (Natalie Cortez was AMAZING)

Hamilton (Chi) - U/S (whichever U/S on was AMAZING)

The only time I have seen her live was Brooklyn.. before the current track record seems to have begun. 

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She’s always rubbed me the wrong way in interviews. She comes across, to me, as incredibly smug. However, I consider myself lucky because I got to see her Satine. I told my friend after what I’m telling you: she was terrific in the role. Spectacularly talented. But yeah. She rubs me the wrong way, and her attendance has always been spotty.
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The problem with spotty attendance is that it is so subjective. Unless you have some master list when she actually showed up, called out, was out sick, was taking a planned absence... we're just sort of speculating. Even the random reports here leave out the vast majority of dates. 

For example, every time I've gone to a show, she's been in? So, if I think she has 100% attendance, based on my personal experience, I'm correct. Which is why this stuff always seems hard to assess...

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Jarethan said: "I have seen MR 3 times and loved every time; she was in it all three times. She gave fine performances all three times. I have never felt, however, that she was critical to the show's success. I personally believe anyone of a certain age with talent could succeed in that role.

It is not like it's Dolly, Mame, Charity, Evita, Reno Sweeney, etc., etc. MR is an ensemble show IMO if ever there was one. Since she is not a box office attraction, she had better watch out, as she is replaceable; and this of all the great publicity if MR fired their leading lady for a poor attendance track record.

 

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Couldn’t agree more. This is very much an ensemble production. I enjoyed seeing Aaron, Karen, and Danny but none of them are an integral part of the production. 

Wonder which of the principals is the biggest attraction for the audience? I suspect Aaron or Danny.

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The OP is not lying. I don’t know about now, but The understudy board used to be in the box office part of the lobby on the right wall next to the seating chart back during legally blonde and west side story, when the Times Square information center was next door.

I saw in the heights over 20 times and every time Karen was in the show, she was always in and I know I met her at the stage door more than once and I don’t have any recollection of her being anything but pleasant. She was out the second time I saw WSS, but I’ve seen moulin rouge twice now and she was there both times while Danny Burstein was out the second time.

We need to be grateful that if you care that much about seeing anybody on broadway, the box office is always more than willing to exchange tickets so you can do so. In London, I paid for Dreamgirls far more times than I care to admit so I could see Amber Riley in the show, because they will not exchange a ticket in the west end no matter what.
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Thanks for that just_john. I could swear that’s how Iearned she’d be out, but willing to admit someone may have told me. It was a while ago.

As for the race debate, I’d like to remind the poster of how this board eviscerated Laura Benanti MULTIPLE times for her attendance, and also questioned Patti Murin’s reasons for missing some performances. To make this about race is absurd.
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I agree that it's a little ridiculous to make this discussion about race, especially considering that yes, there are multiple performers of different races that have stirred up controversy here for similar things. Mainly I was curious if anything occurred during the performance I attended that I may have missed.

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iluvtheatertrash said: "Thanks for that just_john. I could swear that’s how Iearned she’d be out, but willing to admit someone may have told me. It was a while ago.

As for the race debate, I’d like to remind the poster of how this board eviscerated Laura Benanti MULTIPLE times for her attendance, and also questioned Patti Murin’s reasons for missing some performances. To make this about race is absurd.
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Donna Murphy in Wonderful Town and Bernadette Peters in Gypsy also had their attendance scrutinized. Chad Kimball in Memphis as well (and the latter missed a significant number of performances).

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I can't speak to her attendance (she's been on every time I've seen a show she was in--WSS, Murder Ballad, In the Heights, Brooklyn), but as for the question of whether to see it without her, I personally found her performance the only reason to see the show. That said, I wasn't a fan of the show. People who love it seem to love the whole thing, and I think I'm in the minority, but I would say try to reschedule if possible if she's out. As far as Burstein, he's one of my favorite performers, but I don't think his role allows him the opportunity to do anything special enough that would make his performance a must see.

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The board absolutely was not where the box office lobby is in the Palace, but in the main part were the bar was. For Aida it was to the right of the bar, for Annie to the left of the bar.
Also they don’t exchange or refunded the tickets there. Karen was out the first time I went to WSS and they said No.
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People have called out white people forever on this board for missing performances. So, the person accusing people of being racist regarding Karen is just ridiculous.

Donna Murphy in Wonderful Town and Bernadette Peters in Gypsy also had their attendance scrutinized. Chad Kimball in Memphis as well (and the latter missed a significant number of performances).

Considering he had severe nerve damage and couldn't lift his arms for an entire year, I think he gets a pass. 

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Posted: 1/3/20 at 10:21pm
Never bought the ticket. Found out before I did. Said that multiple times.
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Posted: 1/3/20 at 10:46pm

''Considering [Chad Kimball} had severe nerve damage and couldn't lift his arms for an entire year, I think he gets a pass.''

I interviewed Chad Kimball for Talkin' Broadway in 2012 and asked him about his missed performances in ''Memphis,'' and the Tony nominee said: ''I had nerve damage for eight months before it was diagnosed. I thought it was just aches from doing the show, but when I couldn't raise my arm above my shoulder, I knew something was going on. It was called brachial plexus nerve damage of the severe sort. I also had a cervical sprain. ...Some really great physicians got me through it, and I'm happy to say that I'm almost back to 100%, and I'm so thankful. Memphis also was physically the most demanding show I've ever done. As Huey, I was onstage practically the entire time, and when I wasn't, I was changing clothes and coming right back on.''

Asked if he was concerned about the criticism over his missing shows, Kimball said: ''Yeah, it's hard because you want people to know you're struggling with something and that's why there are absences, but you can't please everyone. Some will misread the situation, and that's just the way it is. What they didn't understand was my absolute love of the show. I wanted to do every single performance, but my body wouldn't allow it. For awhile, I was doing physical therapy, so I did only six shows a week. But I was just spent. I was losing confidence in my physicality. I had to say goodbye and it was very hard. In a lot of ways, Memphis was my first love. But my cast was extremely supportive.''

Another performer who's been criticized a lot for missing shows a lot is Laura Benanti, especially during the 2016 revival of ''She Loves Me.'' It was only much later that she revealed that she was only in her first trimester at the time, and was suffering from a severe pregnancy sickness condition: Hyperemesis Gravidarum. Still, Benanti pressed on and performed as much as she could, and sick buckets were hidden all over the stage in case she needed to vomit. In fact, the Tony-winning actress felt queasy even during the live taping of ''She Loves Me''; at one point, she admitted she threw up in her own mouth but swallowed it, and ''kept going.''

So yes, it's disappointing when our favorite performers call out sick, but we seldom know the full story or what medical circumstances they might be struggling with. It's hard for me to believe that any professional actor worth his/her salt would WANT to miss shows, let alone develop such a reputation. If Karen Olivo's dealing with any health issues, I wish her the speediest recovery. I guess I've been lucky. Each time I've seen ''Moulin Rouge!,'' Karen's been in, and she and Aaron Tveit always are ''spectacular, spectacular!''

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I saw the show tonight 1/3. Karen was in and she was INCREDIBLE. Glad I got to see her.

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FlyHigh523 said: "EvaLyn said: "To be fair to Karen, who I saw in Moulin Rouge both times I saw it and in West Side Story both times I saw it, Satine is a really vocally and physically demanding role.

I actually would love to see any of her understudies though, so if there is any preplanned missed shows for her, is there a place to check? And is SRO the only option for cheap tickets aside from the lotto at the moment (is last minute cheap Stubhub a possibility?)
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I’m pretty sure her standby, Ashley Loren, covers all Tuesday shows now. So, Karen only does 7 a week (to my knowledge)
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Can anyone else confirm this? I would love to see Ashley Loren in the show as I already saw Karen Olivo (good but not great) and loved Ashley when I saw her sing with Carly Rae Jepsen and at some 54 Below shows.

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It was confirmed more than a month ago and is also on Ticketmaster.  Ashley does all Tuesday shows. 

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Hairspray0901 said: "I was thinking of grabbing a ticket for tonight. Worth seeing without her AND Danny Burstein?"

When I go look at the Cast on the website, Danny Burstein isn't even listed anymore.  It says Zidler is played by Austin Durant. 

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I believe Danny is scheduled to be out for a while because of an injury, not sure if they announced a return date yet.
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Knowing KO somewhat, she seems both conscientious and a good company member.

Surely the fact that she is re-employed is evidence enough that producers know she is a good worker?

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devonian.t said: "Knowing KO somewhat, she seems both conscientious and a good company member.

Surely the fact that she is re-employed is evidence enough that producers know she is a good worker?
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Not a comment at all on Karen Olivo (I don't know her and have not heard many negative stories floating around the industry regarding how she is to work with), but there are lots of people who are not necessarily good workers who continue to book work. All it takes is being in the good graces with the person who's the "muscle" on the production/artistic team. Who that person is can vary on every production, whether it's the lead producer, a director, a choreographer, a writer, etc.

This also isn't to say that there aren't people who self-sabotage their careers. There will come a point when even the muscle on the show can't override the objections of the rest of the team, but that sometimes may take way longer to happen than everyone else would like.

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