ClydeBarrow said: "Call me old fashioned but I'm not really on board with cis female drag queens. Never have been, never will. No matter how un-PC that it.”
Didnt even notice that but I agree. Bring on your hate PM’s.
I somewhat agreed with Tabitha from Holland that trans women have an advantage in the competition but this is a different story completely. Trans women were still (presumably) gay men that dealt with the struggle and strife of the queer community as well as making the transition to their true gender. Cis women just want to wear clown makeup and not have to do the additional "work" required to become a drag queen.
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ClydeBarrow said: "Call me old fashioned but I'm not really on board with cis female drag queens. Never have been, never will. No matter how un-PC that is."
That is my knee-jerk reaction as well. But after watching the intro video, she was the person I liked most :)
I'm going to use this as a chance to be a little a more open minded to the idea that 'drag' is more of a performance style than something that is identity-based. I think that panto traditions in Britain may also be coloring my view of this in terms of Drag Race UK and that I would have a MUCH stronger reaction to a US version of the show adding a cis woman to the roster.
I don’t disagree but I think the art form has opened more and I’m curious to see how she is. I always find that trans women on the show tend to be “less drag” and more everyday pretty woman. But Kylie on AS6 has proven that not to be the case.
Alright, let's do this... Cis women have been doing drag and part of the community going back to the very beginning of the modern art form. Not in nearly as big of numbers as other demographics, but they were there. Anybody having an issue with Queer cis women being in the competition is just gatekeeping bull****.
ClydeBarrow said: "I somewhat agreed with Tabitha from Holland that trans women have an advantage in the competition but this is a different story completely. Trans women were still (presumably) gay men that dealt with the struggle and strife of the queer community as well as making the transition to their true gender. Cis women just want to wear clown makeup and not have to do the additional "work" required to become a drag queen."
What "Work" is required to be a Drag Queen, my love? Doing makeup in their bedroom? Naomi doesn't pad or wear tits. If we're talking about facing strife and struggle then Gigi Goode has no business being a Drag Queen because her entire upbringing was nothing but love and support. Your qualifications for what makes a Drag Queen is really very sad to be honest. And the excluding of Queer Women (which Victoria is. She is a lesbian.) Is just disgusting. Victoria is putting the exact same "work" as any other person on that stage with the exception of a guarantee she doesn't need to tuck, but news flash! Many Queens don't tuck either. She's in just as much paint. Is cinched just as tight. Is just as uncomfortable.
Tabitha can go ****ing jump in a lake talking about "advantages" transwomen have while having a face full of the same fillers as them.
Just watched the first episode. I really enjoyed it but I think also, I’m a bit “Drag Race-d Out”. I need a break. It’s getting to feel like “Ok let’s get through this episode before the next episode comes on in two days so i don’t get too far behind” almost like it’s a chore.
But yeah, I enjoyed it. Some real talent in there.
I don't get that at all, but I'm also a Real Housewives fan, which was like 3x a week. So I LOVE all this drag race. I really enjoyed it. Doesn't Victoria kind of give you Elly Diamond vibes make-up wise? It's interesting coming off Laurence's season as it felt very much like it was her crown to lose (and I'm a Bimini fan), so I'm excited to see who rises and falls.
I kind of go back and forth on the AFAB drag queen thing. But also, again, curious how it all goes. She's very talented and funny, so whatever. I think the art form is just evolving.
I think Victoria Scone is a charming standout amongst this very good lineup. You can't really look at what she's doing and say it's not "drag".
I also enjoy Choriza May, who I only really knew as a visual artist before she got on this season. Her midcentury modernist by way of Picasso art style is really eyecatching. Her art IG is @adrian_mar. But she definitely had some of the best quips and commentary of the episode.
As for trans women in drag... drag has long been a route of discovery for one's gender identity. And it's really only in the last couple decades that clearer lines between drag / cross-dressing and trans identity have been drawn. I think to exclude trans people from drag, when trans people- or people who would be considered trans by today's standards- have been instrumental to drag as an artform is a massive slap in the face.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Yeah it is interesting, and I mean this as no diss to trans women or anything, but for the most part they don't give "drag" in the sense that we all know. They give you a beautiful woman, sure, but it's not wigs on wigs kind of a thing. Which is why Scones works for me. But I will say on All-Starts 6 the trans women were def stepping up the game, so maybe it's on it's own journey. But like, Gia Gunn? That's a pretty woman, but I'm not sure she's giving me drag? Again, I know, maybe a weird opinion.
Also, don't you feel like RuPaul just ENJOYS herself more on the UK? Like she's actually giving critics and stuff? I don't feel like she contributes much in terms of her opinion on the US versions.
RippedMan said: "Yeah it is interesting, and I mean this as no diss to trans women or anything, but for the most part they don't give "drag" in the sense that we all know. They give you a beautiful woman, sure, but it's not wigs on wigs kind of a thing. Which is why Scones works for me."
But that's not a fault of them being Trans. There are countless cis male Queen who just go for "Woman" In fact... many of them do. That's their aesthetic. The problem is that outside of All Stars the Trans representation has been... not great. Almost non-existent.
UK has become my favorite series but I thought this weeks episode was kinda…crap. The mini challenge was bizarre and i don’t know what the point was besides to stir the pot and be mean. Then the maxi challenge just bored me from start to finish.
As for the Victoria stuff, we’ve seen this before with Eureka so unless a miracle happens we know exactly what’s going to happen. So I’m a way I was kinda pissed that anyone other than Victoria went home - by the way HOW WAS SHE SAFE? She sat on a stool and moved her arms up and down. Ridiculous.
I really like these queens! I think the right queen went home, but was surprised by some of Ru's choices. Krystal winning that challenge was bologna. They're obviously setting her up to be the favorite of the season. Great cast though, excited to see next week's design challenge.
I heard that the filming of this season was condescend into a much shorter filming period, so a lot of the challenges are rushed and not executed well. Such a shame when you have a great set of queens.
I actually love this season. All the "Front runners" have suddenly slipped up. It's very interesting. But, given the show, the producers will find some creative ways to get rid of the queens they don't want. But I loved the girl group challenge. Fun song. I'm just not sure when they say "we didn't really get to know you," like, what meaningful thing are you suppose to say in those 8 bars?