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Patti’s Tweet
#50
Posted: 7/19/19 at 11:13pm
AADA81 said: "If something "triggers" me I take a moment to consider outcomes. I don't just blast someone."
Hurrah for you, but this is not about you. Everyone gets to do things their way, and as stated above, she is just doing what she does. Don't like it? That's your way. P.S. It was not vindictive or demeaning. Look up words so you know what they mean before you use them. Or don't. Maybe that's your way.
yankeefan7
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/14/12
#51
Posted: 7/19/19 at 11:15pm
" Patti didn't just say she was disgusted with someone's behavior, she outed someone in a vindictive, demeaning manner. Justifying that because of the behavior of someone else doesn't justify anything. It's just excusing unacceptable behavior.
As I stated in another post, Ms. Lupone also told Senator Paul never to set foot in NYC and maybe the neighbor who physically attacked Senator Paul had a point. As you noted, being disgusted with a his behavior/opinion is one thing but thinking physical violence against him is ok is just plain wrong.
#52
Posted: 7/19/19 at 11:17pm
ljay889 said: "bk said: "She was being who she's been and always will be. The hand-wringing here and from the right is typical, though."
This. 100% this."
Patti's right because she's Patti. A specious defense. The people who are wrong are the "hand-wringing right". Maybe accurate; maybe not. We are typical, except that I am a very typical left-leaning person, so that's a resounding no. Your points are not valid.
bk
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/03
#53
Posted: 7/20/19 at 4:33am
AADA81 said: "ljay889 said: "bk said: "She was being who she's been and always will be. The hand-wringing here and from the right is typical, though."
This. 100% this."
Patti's right because she's Patti. A specious defense. The people who are wrong are the "hand-wringing right". Maybe accurate; maybe not. We are typical, except that I am a very typical left-leaning person, so that's a resounding no. Your points are not valid."
What I said was, "The hand wringing here and from the right is typical, though." What I did not say is "...the hand-wringing right." You said that. If that's what I'd meant that's what I would have said. You don't have to find my points valid and it matters to me not one whit whether you do or not. Some find them valid, so there's that. Every day there's hand-wringing going on here about something - some outrage, some Twitter thing, some word that suddenly can't be used anymore. If you want to feel outrage at something so silly as her very Patti-esque tweet, you certainly have that right, just as others have the right to tell you they think it's ridiculous.
#54
Posted: 7/20/19 at 5:04am
bk said: What I said was, "The hand wringing here and from the right is typical, though." What I did not say is "...the hand-wringing right." You said that. If that's what I'd meant that's what I would have said. You don't have to find my points valid and it matters to me not one whit whether you do or not. Some find them valid, so there's that. Every day there's hand-wringing going on here about something - some outrage, some Twitter thing, some word that suddenly can't be used anymore. If you want to feel outrage at something so silly as her very Patti-esque tweet, you certainly have that right, just as others have the right to tell you they think it's ridiculous."
Outrage? I never said I felt outrage. You said that. If that's what I'd meant that's what I would have said. You don't have to find my points valid and it matters to me not one whit whether you do or not. Some find them valid, so there's that. Every day there's hand-wringing going on here about something - some outrage, some Twitter thing, some word that suddenly can't be used anymore. If you want to feel outrage at something so silly as thinking I was outraged at that ill-intended Patti-esque tweet, you certainly have that right, just as others have the right to tell you they think it's outrageous that you think I was outraged.
#55
Posted: 7/20/19 at 5:21amI bet these same people who get angry at Patti for being ‘homophobic’ also hold hands in circles and celebrate #diversity #inclusion of the most homophobic systems on this earth (I.e. religions such as Islam). Where are our priorities?
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#56
Posted: 7/20/19 at 9:27am
Miss Lindsey (and Mother's Husband, Mike Pence) are two evil closet cases doing irrevocable damage to this country and its LGBTQ community. This isn't homophobic. It's what these two scumbags deserve. Go LuPone!
#57
Posted: 7/20/19 at 10:04am
Honestly, I just feel like anyone who find Patti's tweet homophobic either didn't know about Lindsay's anti-LGBT track record or simply is anti-Patti (and let's face it, there are loads of people here who relish any opportunity to shred her to bits) or both. Patti hasn't said anything we haven't heard from countless others before. Or laughed when said by a friend. Or said ourselves. She wasn't being homophobic or using "gay" as an insult. She was pointing out the likelihood of his hypocrisy.
"I bet these same people who get angry at Patti for being ‘homophobic’ also hold hands in circles and celebrate #diversity #inclusion of the most homophobic systems on this earth (I.e. religions such as Islam). Where are our priorities?"
I bet you were going to find a way to try and hijack the conversation as an opportunity to rant again on your favorite subject and I won! It wasn't much because the odds were understandably low, but God bless your little heart. It was like betting on whether a train would arrive on time in Germany.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#58
Posted: 7/20/19 at 10:31am
"I bet you were going to find a way to try and hijack the conversation as an opportunity to rant again on your favorite subject and I won! It wasn't much because the odds were understandably low, but God bless your little heart. It was like betting on whether a train would arrive on time in Germany."
Exactly.
mar6411
Broadway Star Joined: 9/19/09
#59
Posted: 7/20/19 at 11:34am
"I bet you were going to find a way to try and hijack the conversation as an opportunity to rant again on your favorite subject and I won! It wasn't much because the odds were understandably low, but God bless your little heart. It was like betting on whether a train would arrive on time in Germany."
I love you for this. Thank you.
bk
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/03
#61
Posted: 7/20/19 at 3:00pm
AADA81 said: "bk said:What I said was, "The hand wringing here and from the right is typical, though." What I did not say is "...the hand-wringing right." You said that. If that's what I'd meant that's what I would have said. You don't have to find my points valid and it matters to me not one whit whether you do or not. Some find them valid, so there's that. Every day there's hand-wringing going on here about something - some outrage, some Twitter thing, some word that suddenly can't be used anymore. If you want to feel outrage at something so silly as her very Patti-esque tweet, you certainly have that right, just as others have the right to tell you they think it's ridiculous."
Outrage? I never said I felt outrage. You said that.If that's what I'd meant that's what I would have said. You don't have to find my points valid and it matters to me not one whit whether you do or not. Some find them valid, so there's that. Every day there's hand-wringing going on here about something - some outrage, some Twitter thing, some word that suddenly can't be used anymore. If you want to feel outrage at something so silly as thinking I was outraged at that ill-intended Patti-esque tweet, you certainly have that right, just as others have the right to tell you they think it's outrageous that you think I was outraged."
I just read your posts. I didn't misquote you.
#62
Posted: 7/20/19 at 4:09pm
This reminds me of that god awful, stupid “Alice Ripley is a homophobe!” thread from ten or so years ago.
We all know Patti isn’t a homophobe but maybe she should have chosen her words better. Whatever.
#63
Posted: 7/20/19 at 4:50pm
HogansHero said: "AADA81 said: "If something "triggers" me I take a moment to consider outcomes. I don't just blast someone."
Hurrahfor you, but this is not about you. Everyone gets to do things their way, and as stated above, she is just doing what she does. Don't like it? That's your way. P.S. It was not vindictive or demeaning. Look up words so you know what they mean before you use them. Or don't. Maybe that's your way."
A personal attack because you don't like my opinion. How vindictive and demeaning of you.
#64
Posted: 7/20/19 at 5:21pm
AADA81 said: "A personal attack because you don't like my opinion. How vindictive and demeaning of you."
There is no attack there, personal or otherwise. It was just a course correction: you apparently misapprehended the subject being discussed when you made it about you. I was just trying to help you out, but little thanks I get.
#65
Posted: 7/20/19 at 6:46pm
HogansHero said: "AADA81 said: "A personal attack because you don't like my opinion. How vindictive and demeaning of you."
There is no attack there, personal or otherwise. It was just a course correction: you apparently misapprehended the subject being discussed when you made it about you. I was just trying to help you out, but little thanks I get."
Misapprehending my word usage and then mocking me for it is a personal attack, pal. And I DO know what the words demeaned and vindictive mean. Watch. I'll use them in a sentence:
Last Monday, the back of my car got demeaned by a tractor-trailer so I took it to a body shop, but it was a legal holiday and they were vindictive until the next day.
See? So there! So when you dent me for using the wrong words you're just being closed!
#66
Posted: 7/20/19 at 7:15pm
dude, you really need a dictionary. seriously.
mock: "tease or laugh at in a scornful or contemptuous manner."
First, there was no personal attack. (Telling you that you are trying to make this about you is not a personal attack. As I said it is just a course correction in a silly thread. Second, there was no tease, no laugh, no scorn, no contempt. What you are trying to say, I gather, is that calling you out on what you said is personal; it's not: it's about the words you used and ideas you expressed. If you want everything you say to be accepted as gospel, instead of posting on a message board, start honing your god skills. I am happy to discuss whatever you like here, as long as it is about the theatre and not you (or me). This is not AADA81 World.
#67
Posted: 7/20/19 at 7:31pm
HogansHero said: "dude, you really need a dictionary. seriously.
mock: "tease or laugh at in a scornful or contemptuous manner."
First, there was no personal attack. (Telling you that you are trying to make this about you is not a personal attack. As I said it is just a course correction in a silly thread. Second, there was no tease, no laugh, no scorn, no contempt. What you are trying to say, I gather, is that calling you out on what you said is personal; it'snot: it'sabout the words you used and ideas you expressed. If you want everything you say to be accepted as gospel, instead of posting on a message board, start honing your god skills.I am happy to discuss whatever you like here, as long as it is about the theatre and not you (or me). This is not AADA81 World.
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intrinsic: "belonging naturally; essential"
Well, I just wanted to show you that I know some definitions, too.
And I DON'T need a DICTIONARY! That's that book where you look up different words that mean the same thing, right?
From the world according to AADA81
#68
Posted: 7/20/19 at 7:48pm
Some of you kids here need to grow a pair and quit trying to be offended.
Patti rocks. She's old school and frankly, doesn't give a ****.
#69
Posted: 7/20/19 at 8:22pm
AADA81 said: "GavestonPS said: "Mike Barrett said: "I hate Lindsey Graham as much as the next person but what a distasteful and ignorant comment on her end. There's no proof he's gay, and everyone has a right to come out when they want to. Frankly this is incredibly distasteful and disgusting of her."
Frankly, I find your homophobia far more "distasteful and disgusting".
How is calling Graham gay any different from calling him fair, honest or good at his job? He may be none of those things, but neither are they insults."
What in that statement is "homophobic"? And let's be realistic: you may believe calling a mangay is no different than calling him fair, honest and good but that's not true. Fair, honest and good are words that have only positive connotations but calling someone gay is not a benign term. There are plenty of people who will respond to someone labeled by that wordwith discrimination, hatred or worse. That is why some people, possibly Graham himself, are closeted. Fair, honest and good don't have inherent risks tied to them for the recipient of such compliments.
I will add, just look at the way Lupone used that word. It was not in a warm, acceptingor welcoming way. It was used as a means to "out" himin a snide, mocking, accusatorymanner intended to embarrass him, i.e., in a negative way. She was not being fair, honest or good when she chose to do that."
"Gay" is as benign as "fair" or "honest" to me; and it should be to all of us.
And hypocrisy has always made closeted pols fair game for outing. LuPone is merely following a long-established tradition in mocking the hypocrisy of a man--who gay or not, at the very least has always appeared quite effeminate (another word that should be benign to us by now)--who behaves one way but votes to the detriment of people like himself.
Sort of like the hysterical response to outing. If gay isn't a bad thing, how is calling someone gay a bad thing? I realize you are posting from 1982, but it's time to unclutch the pearls and reflect a little.
(Oops! That reference to the phrase "clutching one's pearls" might be seen to imply YOU are gay! I actually have no idea and don't care. But if you care, by all means set the record straight. In my view, I haven't defamed you.)
#70
Posted: 7/20/19 at 8:29pm
HogansHero said: "GavestonPS said: "How is calling Graham gay any different from calling him fair, honest or good at his job? He may be none of those things, but neither are they insults."
The insult is not that he is gay; that is not an insult. The insult is that he is a closeted gay who attempts to occlude apreference (of which he would be proud if he were healthy) by being anti-LGBTQ. This is a pathology that goes back generations (or more) and in modern scenarios is addressed at length under the expression "lavender bund" as it relates to gay men from Roy Cohn forward. Instead of insulting him by calling him gay (which would be homophobia and is not involved here), he is being insulted for being a Roy Cohn Clone. And there are not a lot of more insulting things one can call a person. Well, we are working on that I guess, but in American political history.
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Well said, Hogan. As I implied above, the insult is not that she called him gay, but that she called him a hypocrite.
#71
Posted: 7/20/19 at 8:37pm
HogansHero said: "except that the trains arrivingon time meme is about Switzerland..."
And about life under Hitler and Mussolini. I think the OP was conflating two different memes, but it still made me laugh!
#72
Posted: 7/20/19 at 8:59pm
"Gay" is as benign as "fair" or "honest" to me; and it should be to all of us.
"Should be" and "is" are not the same thing and you are being unrealistic if you think 'gay' is a benign term.
And hypocrisy has always made closeted pols fair game for outing. LuPone is merely following a long-established tradition in mocking the hypocrisy of a man--who gay or not, at the very least has always appeared quite effeminate (another word that should be benign to us by now)--who behaves one way but votes to the detriment of people like himself.
Graham's statements re: Trump's tweets had nothing to do with that. Early on (and later) in this thread I made it clear that I agree with outing any closeted politician who votes to the detriment of LGBTQ people.
Sort of like the hysterical response to outing. If gay isn't a bad thing, how is calling someone gay a bad thing? I realize you are posting from 1982, but it's time to unclutch the pearls and reflect a little.
Publicly calling someone gay who has not shared that about themselves is full of ramifications, whether you like it or not. I'm not saying there is ANYTHING wrong with being LGBTQ. I'm saying there are many people who will marginalize, discriminate toward and hate because of that and it is not up to you to choose for anyone but oneself, if they're gay, when the risk is now acceptable. That's not your decision.
I realize you are posting from 1982, but it's time to unclutch the pearls and reflect a little. (Oops! That reference to the phrase "clutching one's pearls" might be seen to imply YOU are gay! I actually have no idea and don't care. But if you care, by all means set the record straight. In my view, I haven't defamed you.)"
You use a homophobic, stereotypical trope here, with lots of sarcasm, to mock me and put me in my place and then include that you don't care if I'm gay or not. And yet you can't conceive of why someone who is gay and closeted would see that label as potentially risky. Your thinking is extremely distorted.
#73
Posted: 7/20/19 at 9:12pm
Oh lord. Smoke a joint and move on.
Patti may be messy... but is she wrong?
"Sticks and stones, sister. Here, have a Valium." - Patti LuPone, a Memoir
#74
Posted: 7/20/19 at 9:25pm
To AADA81:
What PLANET do you live on where straight people (except the very gay-friendly) use the expression "clutching one's pearls"???!!! I was obviously using an inside-the-community expression and you are delusional if you think otherwise. (I also had no idea I was putting you in any particularly "place", but that's another issue.)
Yes, discrimination against gay people still exists, but can't you see how we play into it by treating gay identity as some sort of secret from the criminal underground?
Sorry. I don't normally go around outing people, but I stopped treating gayness as a "criminal secret" many decades ago.
Sexual orientation is as intrinsic as race, and we don't require anyone to keep anybody else's race a secret. (Because it's harder to hide, of course, but the principal is the same.)
If Lindsey Graham wants to present as straight, while supporting homophobic policies, then he should do a better job of it: One or more wives and at least seven kids.
