Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?- Page 3
Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
#50Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/22/17 at 4:51pm
Robbie2 said: "IMO it is wrong...Rude and disrespectful in that close environment to the non smokers.
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Outside? I know Manhattan is over-built, but I had no idea outdoor spaces were "close environments".
FTR, I know opera singers who smoke. Always astonishes me.
#51Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/22/17 at 5:05pm
GavestonPS said: "Robbie2 said: "IMO it is wrong...Rude and disrespectful in that close environment to the non smokers.
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Outside? I know Manhattan is over-built, but I had no idea outdoor spaces were "close environments".
Smoking is illegal in NYC-parks, beaches and pedestrian plazas like Times Square
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Magdalicious
Chorus Member Joined: 2/10/17
#52Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/22/17 at 7:05pm
SweetLips said: "Magdalicious said: "Sounds mental ill to justify attacking person for saying "hi guy." Maybe you was thrown out for being asshole of instead of just leaving like you say?
The Bitch is back--thank God--thought it had maybe gone to a finishing school for aging old hags--obviously rejected, so welcome back.
R.E.S.P.E.C.T
Not so old as get offended when someone says "guys." Plus you proud you yelled at worker because of it. You get no respect. You cranky old lady
tell truth sweetlip, you are potato that know how to use internet?
Mother to Petra and Anezka. Am evil like Petra
#53Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/22/17 at 9:59pm
Re-read Dishrag--if you can, 'cause you sure can't type. Did you confuse the word 'lashed' with your word 'yelled' ?
Why don't you type in your original alien language-obviously from a place that ends in idurghekjnSTAN, and let autocue change it to readable English?
R.E.S.P.E.C.T was NOT aimed at you [waste of space] but to the younger generation in general.
I'm not only SweetLips but a SweetPotato as well--thanks for the new handle--Love it !
Rainah
Broadway Star Joined: 11/24/16
#54Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/22/17 at 10:02pm
I mean, actors shouldn't be smoking period. Their body is their instrument and they should be taking care of it.
But beyond that (And it is always their right to do what they want with their body, even if they're doing something stupid/harmful with it) actors at the stage door don't owe you anything. I think it's poor form, but stagedooring is a gift.
With that said... if I was stagedooring and the actor was smoking, I would probably leave unless it was an autograph I was really keen on. But my rule for polite smoking in public is "don't smoke anywhere people can't avoid you" - bus stops, narrow paths, ect. Stagedooring, if you don't like it you can leave.
Magdalicious
Chorus Member Joined: 2/10/17
#55Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/22/17 at 10:38pm
SweetLips said: "Re-read Dishrag--if you can, 'cause you sure can't type. Did you confuse the word 'lashed' with your word 'yelled' ?
Why don't you type in your original alien language-obviously from a place that ends in idurghekjnSTAN, and let autocue change it to readable English?
R.E.S.P.E.C.T was NOT aimed at you [waste of space] but to the younger generation in general. I'm not only SweetLips but a SweetPotato as well--thanks for the new handle--Love it !
Oh sure, Magda too dumb for your crisp command of the English. Would believe you went to school till age ten, at least!
You are racist old queen and will be dead soon enough. You will lash out at the Jesus when he send your old dried up mantwat to hell. You are still old lady who got the vapors because of friendly greeting from restaurant host.
Mother to Petra and Anezka. Am evil like Petra
#56Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 1:34am
You obviously hurt your eye[can only assume that is you in your avatar, trolling for customers] by getting too close to a glory hole, and oops! a hole in one!
Didn't your Mamma ever tell you that no good comes to those who peek while they poop?
For goodness sake Magda, quit while you have ONE good eye and be careful not to open your mouth near a sewage pipe.
Love Peace and Brown rice.
#57Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 1:36am
Robbie2 said: "GavestonPS said: "Robbie2 said: "IMO it is wrong...Rude and disrespectful in that close environment to the non smokers.
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Outside? I know Manhattan is over-built, but I had no idea outdoor spaces were "close environments".
Smoking is illegal in NYC-parks, beaches and pedestrian plazas like Times Square
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Smokers are a minority of the population and hold very little political clout, particularly since the majority can always console itself with the knowledge that smoking is bad for the smoker. So, sure, smoking is illegal in many parks and beaches.
That does NOT make them confined spaces. Though no longer a smoker, I personally don't see why anyone demands a right to NEVER smell cigarette smoke. Let's not sweat the small stuff, shall we?
Otherwise I'd like a law forbidding people to eat garlic or onions outside the confines of their own home.
VintageSnarker
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/30/15
#58Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 1:57am
Well, this thread got real dramatic real fast. I don't smoke and I don't enjoy being around smokers but as with any other outdoor space, as long as someone isn't actively blowing smoke in my face I can deal with it.
LarryD2
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/1/14
#59Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 8:59am
GavestonPS said: "Robbie2 said: "IMO it is wrong...Rude and disrespectful in that close environment to the non smokers.
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Outside? I know Manhattan is over-built, but I had no idea outdoor spaces were "close environments".
FTR, I know opera singers who smoke. Always astonishes me.
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GavestonPS--I worked for a major opera company for close to a decade, and was (and still am) astonished by how many opera singers smoke. Of course, many of the smokers I saw were European, where smoking is a much more accepted part of the culture than it is here. But you'd think people who earn their living by their voice would be more careful.
That said, to give one just example: Rene Pape is a ridiculously heavy smoker, and his voice sounds as good, if not better, today than it did twenty years ago.
Magdalicious
Chorus Member Joined: 2/10/17
#60Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 9:04am
Sweetlip, what did Mamma teach you? How to clutch pearls when greeted by server? How to become racist old queen?
Mother to Petra and Anezka. Am evil like Petra
#61Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 10:40am
GavestonPS said: "Robbie2 said: "GavestonPS said: "Robbie2 said: "IMO it is wrong...Rude and disrespectful in that close environment to the non smokers.
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Outside? I know Manhattan is over-built, but I had no idea outdoor spaces were "close environments".
Smoking is illegal in NYC-parks, beaches and pedestrian plazas like Times Square
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Smokers are a minority of the population and hold very little political clout, particularly since the majority can always console itself with the knowledge that smoking is bad for the smoker. So, sure, smoking is illegal in many parks and beaches.
That does NOT make them confined spaces. Though no longer a smoker, I personally don't see why anyone demands a right to NEVER smell cigarette smoke. Let's not sweat the small stuff, shall we?
Otherwise I'd like a law forbidding people to eat garlic or onions outside the confines of their own home.
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Second hand smoke has been proven to be not just as bad, but worse, than first hand smoke. Studies have shown that airborne contact with second hand smoke instantly thickens the blood and makes you more vulnerable to heart attack and stroke. And that's barely the tip of the iceberg.
That doesn't sound like "small stuff" to me.
#62Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 11:51am
As for the OP, if you're so concerned about being near cigarette smoke then why stay within a close proximity of the person smoking? Cross the street, walk away and don't expose yourself to her cigarette smoke. Unless your priority is to put your life in jeopardy just to get a ridiculous selfie/autograph. Why did you even bother posting about such a silly episode? As others have said, a performer owes you NOTHING after the paid performance. If you're so put off by their smoking etiquette then once again LEAVE the area. Simple problem solved.
#63Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 1:49pm
OP you do realise now that any time you see this 'smoking actor' on stage again, all you will think about through their whole performance is--THEY SMOKE !
#64Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 2:19pm
I find that I'm surprised to see anyone smoking these days; the nonsmoking lobby has done a great job disseminating the information that smoking harms not only you, but also directly harms those around you (unlike other poisons, that indirectly harm others). It also rarely looks as glamorous in real life as it does in old movies.
That said, I also think it's creepy to hang around the stage door, just to gape at actors.
I guess this isn't really an answer to the original question, is it?
UncleCharlie
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/26/16
#65Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:11pm
Michael Kras said: "Second hand smoke has been proven to be not just as bad, but worse, than first hand smoke. Studies have shown that airborne contact with second hand smoke instantly thickens the blood and makes you more vulnerable to heart attack and stroke. And that's barely the tip of the iceberg.
That doesn't sound like "small stuff" to me."
This is so true. I personally know of someone who was exposed to second hand smoke for just a few seconds and died the following week. Of course, the person was 93 at the time.
Here's an easy fix. If you see an actor smoking, don't hassle them for autographs and photos. Immediately walk away. They'll have one less person to sign for and you'll avoid putting your health in jeopardy. See how easy this was to solve?
#66Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:14pm
This stage door nonsense has really gone too far.
Jesus saves. I spend.
#67Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:14pm
Michael Kras said: "
Second hand smoke has been proven to be not just as bad, but worse, than first hand smoke. Studies have shown that airborne contact with second hand smoke instantly thickens the blood and makes you more vulnerable to heart attack and stroke. And that's barely the tip of the iceberg.
That doesn't sound like "small stuff" to me.
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Do we really need to discuss this here? The scientists I know find those studies laughable. For one thing, how many of them were conducted OUTSIDE, which is what we were discussing above. (Probable answer: none.) For another, there is no grant money for studies showing second-hand smoke does NOT harm others. I'm not anti-science or pro-smoking, but neither am I naive as to how many scientists earn their living--and it does not involve science for science's sake.
If first- and second-hand smoke were as bad as you want to imply, ALL our grandparents and parents would have been dead of lung cancer by the age of 40. (Seen any old movies lately?) But regardless of studies or whether we believe them, the space outside a theater is not a "closed in space". If you don't like the second-hand smoke, walk away.
#68Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:18pm
"For another, there is no grant money for studies showing second-hand smoke does NOT harm others. "
Um. You really don't think tobacco companies haven't spent millions of dollars on studies like this? I agree with your main point that this is ridiculous. You're outside in Manhattan. There's a lot more troubling your lungs than one rogue cigarette... but... Yes. There have been lots of grants for this very reason which does make me think you're at least a little misguided as to how scientists earn their living.
Jesus saves. I spend.
#69Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:19pm
LarryD2 said: "GavestonPS--I worked for a major opera company for close to a decade, and was (and still am) astonished by how many opera singers smoke....
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The opera singer I know best is still working in her late 60s. I think she quit smoking when she was pregnant with her daughter several decades ago, but before that she was quite the chimney.
(Yes, everyone, I realize this exception does not disprove the rule.)
On the other hand, in musical theater, there are voices like Elaine Stritch's that would be far less interesting were it not for decades of cigarettes and alcohol.
#70Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:29pm
Citing anecdotal one-offs is not a cogent argument against the proven science that smoking causes lung cancer and heart disease. This is science, people. Saying ridiculous things like "The scientists I know find those studies laughable" is as ludicrous as denying climate change, the Holocaust, and vaccines.
Honestly, our species is becoming incredibly foolish, it seems.
#71Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:37pm
KJisgroovy said: ""For another, there is no grant money for studies showing second-hand smoke does NOT harm others. "
Um. You really don't think tobacco companies haven't spent millions of dollars on studies like this? I agree with your main point that this is ridiculous. You're outside in Manhattan. There's a lot more troubling your lungs than one rogue cigarette... but... Yes. There have been lots of grants for this very reason which does make me think you're at least a little misguided as to how scientists earn their living.
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I'm only going by what scientists have told me. And science is only 1/3 of the equation; the results are then interpreted by p.r. people and that's a whole other area of manipulation. Finally, we get the results reported to us by journalists who lack either the training or the gumption to look at studies closely.
I'm sure every scientist would like to devote his/her life to "pure" research. But like the rest of us they have to pay their bills. I'm not saying they literally "cook" the results (though that happens on occasion, of course). I'm saying Joe Scientist knows that if he doesn't find ill effects from second-hand smoke, he won't be getting any more grants from the State of California; so there's a temptation to set up experiments to get certain desired results. (And, yes, tobacco companies got the results they wanted from numerous studies until governments began funding competing research. Of course, they hid the results they didn't like until those stats were pried away through litigation.)
If I'm to believe something as counter-intuitive as the claim that second-hand smoke is more dangerous than first-hand smoke OUTSIDE, I'm going to have to see the original study for myself.
And just to be clear (groovy knows this): I'm not arguing we should return to the day when everybody smoked at his or her office desk. Or when guests to one's home expected to be invited to smoke around the children. This thread has been about the HORROR!!! of somebody smoking out-of-doors.
LxGstv
Broadway Star Joined: 11/22/16
#72Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:41pm
Forget stage door, what about this revival of "The Glass Menagerie" where they are smoking cigarettes on stage? I rushed and got first row so I had both Joe Mantello and Finn Wittrock smoking literally right in front of me... Wittrock at least kept his cigarette behind him when he wasn't smoking... The worst part is when they put it out on stage which just makes the smell even worse...
edit: not sure if it was real cigarettes due to smoking laws, but they sure smelled real. And I'd had friends that seen it and said the same thing.
#73Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:44pm
Great post mangenie, huh, Sweet Lips nailed it. If you're a whacka at the stage door ........
Stephanatic
#74Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ?
Posted: 2/23/17 at 3:45pm
newintown said: "Citing anecdotal one-offs is not a cogent argument against the proven science that smoking causes lung cancer and heart disease. This is science, people. Saying ridiculous things like "The scientists I know find those studies laughable" is as ludicrous as denying climate change, the Holocaust, and vaccines.
Honestly, our species is becoming incredibly foolish, it seems.
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You're an idiot. I'm surprised I didn't notice before, but anti-smoking brings out the worst in people.
FTR, I do not deny climate change, the Holocaust or the efficacy of vaccines. Comparing me to those who do is beyond offensive.
If you and others are going to make outrageous claims re second-hand smoke OUTSIDE, then the burden is on you to provide the proof. That proof will have to include details about the study that was done and who paid for the study, not just a headline from the Guardian.
