Whoopi- Scott Rudin- The View- Page 2

[DAME]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 2:04pm

SouthernCakes said: "Maybe she doesn’t know what to say? I mean, I’m with everyone on here that is like “damn” because he produces all the shows I want to do! Laurie Metcalf, my fav stage actress, has certainly benefited from him, but I don’t expect everyone ever to say something? Maybe they weren’t aware or he was always kind to them so they feel conflicted in what to possibly say?"

Oh I am sure.  Not a easy thing to talk about.  Still.. they talk about this kind of stuff all the time.  So I would hope she would rise to the occasion.  Megan Went to town on Chris Cuomo a few weeks ago because he won’t cover his brothers drama on his show.  I am just saying that in the style of the show it could be hypocritical if she doesn’t address it.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 2:07pm

Um, family can't cover family on television, the Covid pandemic was unusual and the only time they were ever allowed on his show together. So that example is completely moot.

[DAME]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 2:09pm

Sutton Ross said: "Um, family can't cover family on television, the Covid pandemic was unusual and the only time they were ever allowed on his show together. So that example is completely moot. "

Oh I agree with you.  But that was what Megan was botching about.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 2:10pm

Not surprised coming from her!

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 3:26pm

@Sutton Foster,

Where did you get that “rule” that family can’t cover one another on TV? A few years ago back when Stephen Colbert was still doing the Colbert Report, his sister was running for Congress in his home state of South Carolina, and, he talked about it on his show on more than one occasion.


Anyways, I feel like between this thread and some of the other ones on this topic have mentioned the same thing. That is, the idea that people in power in the industry should say something about this on a public platform if they are fortunate to have one. Now, I’m gonna give Whoopi a pass here. For all we know, she may have wanted to bring it up, but was told not to by the producers of The View. Not saying it did but it is a realistic possibility.

As for other theatre actors, we don’t know what they are going through in their day to day lives. I mean, if they have a family to support, and feel that speaking out can cause them potential work going forward and need to support their family etc they get a pass in my book. Overall point is, just because we think that a name Broadway or otherwise can/should stand up and say something, there are other mitigating factors that we don’t know that can be legit reasones for them to stay silent On the subject.

[Bette's Turban]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 3:27pm

Sure.  Whoopi should discuss it on the show .   But she doesn’t have to,  she did nothing wrong.

[rosheider]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 3:47pm

THR has had a long turbulent history, including publishing accusations of communist ties and Hollywood blacklists.  I'm not sure who owns it right now, but several years ago it was bought by a group with close ties to right wing organizations.  It continues to have a wide "conservative" following that is constantly baited with the Evil Hollywood myth.  As such, it seems a bit bizarre that people are making demands that others speak out and organizing protests based upon one take-down article in a very suspect publication.

[sinister teashop]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 5:30pm

rosheider said: "THR has had a long turbulent history, including publishing accusations of communist ties and Hollywood blacklists. I'm not sure who owns it right now, but several years ago it was bought by a group with close ties to right wing organizations. It continues to have a wide "conservative" following that is constantly baited withthe Evil Hollywood myth. As such, it seems a bit bizarre that people aremaking demands that others speak outand organizing protests based upon one take-down article in a very suspect publication."

I guess we're back to the "off topic" part of the thread. THR was acquired by Penske Media about a year ago, a company owned by the son of a major Trump donor and partially financed by Mohammed Bin Salman. Penske Media also owns Rolling Stone, Variety, Deadline, etc. basically it has cornered the market in entertainment media. The original article about Rudin's bullying was published in THR before the company was acquired by Penske Media. However, the rebooting of the Rudin story by THR around two weeks ago started the whole ball rolling. As I said before, Rudin is responsible for his own undoing but outrage in the US is also a business. Our participation as media-consumer drones is capitalized on by the rich and powerful. 

 

Updated On: 4/18/21 at 05:30 PM

[jo]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 12:15am

sinister teashop said: "rosheider said: "THR has had a long turbulent history, including publishing accusations of communist ties and Hollywood blacklists. I'm not sure who owns it right now, but several years ago it was bought by a group with close ties to right wing organizations. It continues to have a wide "conservative" following that is constantly baited withthe Evil Hollywood myth. As such, it seems a bit bizarre that people aremaking demands that others speak outand organizing protests based upon one take-down article in a very suspect publication."

I guess we're back to the "off topic" part of the thread. THR was acquired by Penske Media about a year ago, a company owned by the son of a major Trump donor and partially financed by Mohammed Bin Salman. Penske Media also owns Rolling Stone, Variety, Deadline, etc. basically it has cornered the market in entertainment media.The original article about Rudin's bullying was published in THR before the company was acquired by Penske Media. However,the rebooting of the Rudin story by THR around two weeks ago started the whole ball rolling.As I said before, Rudin is responsible for his own undoing but outrage in the US is also a business. Our participation as media-consumer drones is capitalized on by the rich and powerful.

"

I  had wondered why THR was rehashing the 2010 THR report on Rudin's abusive behavior --  

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/feared-man-town-42766

this makes me wonder if there is now a different motivation  (you earlier mentioned Rudin's link to the Democratic Party base)?

[Luminaire2]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 4:29pm

Well, 

 

The story has made it to The View at last.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJ_j_QuifA

[David10086]

Posted: 4/19/21 at 10:27pm

Looks like she didn't have much to say except introduce the topic and then ask each host what they thought. She didn't seem to have any thoughts of her own to share. 

[Playbill_Trash]

Posted: 4/20/21 at 11:16am

Good for Whoopi for not being pressured into speaking out on something that she does not want to only to please an audience. She does not have to comment on anything she does not feel comfortable with. Her experience is her experience and no one, including Karen Olivo, has the right to force someone else to speak their truth if they are not comfortable doing so. Speaking out is a completely individual decision and no one has the right to tell others when to do so.

Correction on Joy Behar's point - Moulin Rouge can absolutely do the show without Karen Olivo, and will. I saw the show with her understudy and she was excellent in the role. That show does not need her, or any big names. The show is a spectacle, the attraction is the popularity of the movie, the brilliant production design/direction/choreography, and the incorporation of music in the new production. There are no names selling tickets to that show, no one is billed above the title. Yes, there are veterans that I and a lot of people here are fans of, but they are not household names and they have zero affect on ticket sales.

In the American Theatre interview, Karen Olivo refers to herself as a "headliner"????? No. She is not headlining - she is not billed above the title. You want to talk headliners? That's when shows are billed as "Bette Midler in Hello Dolly", "Patti LuPone in Gypsy", "Idina Menzel in If/Then", "Jeff Daniels in To Kill a Mockingbird". You are the headline when your name is literally above the title. You might have a lead role but headlining you are not. No one is banking on people flying in from middle America to see you. I'm sorry, but the show will certainly go on.

[BCfitasafiddle]

Posted: 4/20/21 at 11:28am

Playbill_Trash said: "Good for Whoopi for not being pressured into speaking out on something that she does not want to only to please an audience. She does not have to comment on anything she does not feel comfortable with. Her experience is her experience and noone, including Karen Olivo, has the right to force someone else to speak their truth if they are not comfortable doing so. Speaking out is a completely individual decision and no one has the right to tell others when to do so.

Correction on Joy Behar's point - Moulin Rouge can absolutely do the show without Karen Olivo, and will. I saw the show with her understudy and she was excellent in the role. That show does not need her, or any big names. The show is a spectacle, the attraction is the popularity of the movie, the brilliant production design/direction/choreography, and the incorporation of music in the new production. There are no names selling tickets to that show, no one is billed above the title. Yes, there are veterans that I and a lot of people here are fans of, but they are not household names and they have zero affect on ticket sales.

In the American Theatre interview, Karen Olivo refers to herself as a "headliner"????? No. She is not headlining - she is not billed above the title. You want to talk headliners? That's when shows are billed as "Bette Midler in Hello Dolly", "Patti LuPone in Gypsy", "Idina Menzel in If/Then", "Jeff Daniels in To Kill a Mockingbird". You are the headline when your name is literally above the title. You might have a lead role but headlining you are not. No one is banking on people flying in from middle America to see you. I'm sorry, but the show will certainly go on."

The show went on both times I saw Moulin Rouge and Karen was not there. I adored the standby, but would've loved to have seen Karen. Not to be, I suppose. 

Updated On: 4/20/21 at 11:28 AM

[DAME]

Posted: 4/20/21 at 5:45pm

The View has been pre-empted since Friday in the West due to the trial. Whoopi will be on Andy Cohens show next week. I bet she gets asked about it then.

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 4/20/21 at 5:52pm

HogansHero said: "henrikegerman said: "sinister teashop said: ""The Rudin Circle" is also a big Democratic Party base. Not saying that Mr. Rudin doesn't deserve his comeuppance but this controversy is entangled with politics."


So is the Cuomo Circle, the Spitzer Circle, the Weiner circle, the Clinton Circle and the Franken Circle."

Curious that you chose to forget the mother of all "Circles." Hmmm..."

Hogans my point was it is silly to think that a person's popularity among Democrats would protect them from censure.  As well it should be.  My point was not anti-Democratic.

[alovingfan]

Posted: 4/20/21 at 8:18pm

DAME said: "The View has been pre-empted since Friday in the West due to the trial. Whoopi will be on Andy Cohens show next week. I bet she gets asked about it then."

She will be on Colbert as well.   Must be promoting something.