Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?- Page 4
Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
QueenTwinnied
Leading Actor Joined: 6/16/17
#75Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/1/23 at 10:13pm
emilyfaye48 said: "I really need to point out the really concerning fear mongering around this bill. This bill absolutely does not give doctors the right to refuse life saving emergency medical care based on a person's identity or perceived identity. Trans and gay people are NOT at risk of death by lack of care in a medical emergency based on this bill. This bill is only covering what they call "conscience-based objections" which would be things like abortions and prescribing hormones or doing surgeries. It does not help anyone to make the Florida community fear for their lives in this way. Traveling gay and trans people are not in danger from this bill in Florida. None of this is to say we don't all still want to avoid Florida over this bill or any and all of the other reasons to avoid Florida but we really need to stop this fear mongering over a lie about this bill! Please read the actual bill!https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1580/BillText/Filed/HTML
You can fight this bill on the basis of what it actually is not on a lie that creates unnecessary fear."
Trying to sugarcoat this is a REALLY bad look
#76Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/1/23 at 11:04pm
emilyfaye48 said: "This bill is only covering what they call "conscience-based objections" which would be things like abortions and prescribing hormones or doing surgeries. It does not help anyone to make the Florida community fear for their lives in this way. Traveling gay and trans people are not in danger from this bill in Florida.”
Where in the bill are “conscience-based objections” defined as you state? It’s left deliberately vague and it seems intentionally so to cover the widest spectrum of discrimination against LBGT people by Florida doctors, hospitals and insurers.
You are correct that the bill states that emergency care cannot be withheld but the open ended language of the bill is very dangerous.
emilyfaye48
Broadway Star Joined: 3/19/09
#77Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/1/23 at 11:54pm
sinister teashop said: "emilyfaye48 said: "This bill is only covering what they call "conscience-based objections" which would be things like abortions and prescribing hormones or doing surgeries. It does not help anyone to make the Florida community fear for their lives in this way. Traveling gay and trans people are not in danger from this bill in Florida.”
Where in the bill are “conscience-based objections” defined as you state? It’s left deliberately vague and it seems intentionally so to cover the widest spectrum of discrimination against LBGT people by Florida doctors, hospitals and insurers.
You are correct that the bill states that emergency care cannot be withheld but the open ended language of the bill is very dangerous."
I agree, that's why Floridians should fight this bill because it's a bad bill. But making gay and trans Floridians live in constant fear that they could die from a doctor refusing to save their life in the ER is wrong. We need to fight the real bad things that are happening to us and not overblown imaginings.
Without bread we'd just be hungry
but without theatre we'd be dead
#78Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/2/23 at 1:34am
It's not just about healthcare, it's about safety. When you legitimize discrimination, you license violence. This is a concept that goes back to colonial times.
LePetiteFromage
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/19/08
#79Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/2/23 at 2:10am
Speaking of safety, what about the law that allows Florida to take custody of children who are transgender? If I'm a performer with a transgender child who is traveling with me or the parent of a transgender child performer in a touring production, I would not set foot in Florida.
This isn't fear-mongering. This is a very real and present danger. DeSantis and the Republicans have shown that they will take everything to its most extreme and cruel without resistance from any elected leaders in DC or elsewhere. There's no going too far for them. Remember when "Don't Say Gay" was only in elementary schools, until it was also through high school, and then college. And how many SCOTUS judges pledged that Roe v Wade was the "settled law of the land?" We are at step two of the "first they came for..." warning and we need to start acting as such.
#80Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/2/23 at 11:38am
HogansHero said: "Wee Thomas2 said: "
You don't HAVE to do anything about it, but we can't let the conversation stop."
Speaking only for myself, I think the topic, as presented, is a non-starter. The answer is Yes. Now if someone (maybe you) started a thread called "How Do We Solve a Problem Like Florida?," there would be more to convo about."
I considered that, but totally off topic threads just don't get much traction here. This one at least puts things in context of Broadway tours.
#81Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/2/23 at 11:46am
QueenTwinnied said: "Trying to sugarcoat this is a REALLY bad look"
That's not what emilyfaye48 was doing. They were just pointing out that some of the most extreme things said about this specific bill are inaccurate. I think that's important because, in addition to causing unnecessary fear among the LGBT community in Florida, it gives our enemies a talking point: "they're obviously not even reading the bills they're protesting." There is just so much to be alarmed about, in this bill and so many others in red states, that it makes sense to be careful about this.
#82Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/2/23 at 12:05pm
"t gives our enemies a talking point: "they're obviously not even reading the bills they're protesting." There is just so much to be alarmed about, in this bill and so many others in red states, that it makes sense to be careful about this.."
Respectfully, we've already lived through this exact moment to our detriment. When the 'Don't Say Gay' bill was passed, our opponents did accuse us of not reading the bill and said that this was only going to affect children up to grade 3. Who could possibly disagree with that, right? Of course, they f*cking lied. And they're lying to us now. The reason for these bills is absolutely the eradication of queer people. Now's not the time for us to be careful...at all. They are depending on our caution to make the job of trans and queer genocide easier. They've shown us who they are...and we need to fight back. And I mean 'fight' in every possible interpretation of that word.
#83Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/2/23 at 1:23pm
SonofRobbieJ said: "The reason for these bills is absolutely the eradication of queer people. Now's not the time for us to be careful...at all. They are depending on our caution to make the job of trans and queer genocide easier. They've shown us who they are...and we need to fight back. And I mean 'fight' in every possible interpretation of that word."
I absolutely agree. Just to be clear, I'm not advocating caution at all in terms of how we need to fight this menace. I think it's totally fair to argue that the bill is likely a forerunner to something worse to come during the next legislative session, and that in the meantime it will have a chilling effect on everyone - both things that have turned out to be true for "Don't Say Gay." I'm just defending the one poster who urged accuracy in describing the actual content of the bill, and was accused of "sugarcoating."
#84Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 2:32pm
Dylan Smith4 said: "I have some family members that live in Florida, but sadly, they have no intentions of moving, which tells me that they are ok with the draconian policies that have been implemented there! It scares me that their governor is about to run for President and could possibly win. I swear, if he does win next year, I am leaving this country for good and never coming back! Either way, though, I want to leave the US and move to the UK. I know they have their own problems, but at least they're not attacking people because of who they are."
In another thread, you are detailing your current visit to London. Spending quality time in the West End, apparently. In this thread, you make it clear that you do not intend to remain in the U.S. with the rest of us to fight against bigotry and homophobia. I assume you are looking for a job and housing in the U.K.?
Non sibi sed patriae
Updated On: 6/24/23 at 02:32 PM
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#86Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 4:43pm
Sutton Ross said: "Mind your business."
Nah. I don't take instruction from the likes of you.
Non sibi sed patriae
Zeppie2022
Broadway Star Joined: 7/12/22
#87Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 4:59pm
"Sutton Ross said: "Mind your business."
Nah. I don't take instruction from the likes of you."
Really, what did you mean by the "likes of you"? Maybe I will report you for "bullying" Sutton.
RippedMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/14/05
#88Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 6:20pm
You’re all insufferable. It’s a message board about theater. Chill. Touch some grass.
#89Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 7:20pm
Highland Guy said: "In another thread, you are detailing your current visit to London. Spending quality time in the West End, apparently. In this thread, you make it clear that you do not intend to remain in the U.S. with the rest of us to fight against bigotry and homophobia. I assume you are looking for a job and housing in the U.K.?"
Um, like Sutton said, MIND YOUR BUSINESS! I don’t know who you think you are to judge someone like me along with many others who want to leave the US. The reason why I’m here is because I’m currently involved in an internship! Which hopefully will lead to opening doors for moving here permanently! I am doing what I feel is best for myself. I feel a whole lot safer here in the UK than in the US, that’s for damn sure! So, the next time you wanna call me out, you better say that to my freaking face!
The idea is to work and to experiment. Some things will be creatively successful, some things will succeed at the box office, and some things will only - which is the biggest only - teach you things that see the future. And they're probably as valuable as any of your successes. -Harold Prince
#90Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 7:53pm
Dylan Smith4 said: "Highland Guy said: "I feel a whole lot safer here in the UK than in the US, that’s for damn sure! "
Then it's best you stay there. The United States is for people who LOVE our country and are willing to fight for our rights.
Non sibi sed patriae
#91Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 8:05pm
Highland Guy said: "Dylan Smith4 said: "Highland Guy said: "I feel a whole lot safer here in the UK than in the US, that’s for damn sure! "
Then it's best you stay there. The United States is for people who LOVE our country and are willing to fight for our rights."
If only if it were that easy buddy! BTW, you do not get to say who belongs in the US. I was fighting for our rights, but after what I have seen happen in the US in the last few years, I cannot in good conscience remain there! You need to quit being a dick to people on here! People have their opinions! I am sorry mine don't coincide with your views, but TOUGH!
The idea is to work and to experiment. Some things will be creatively successful, some things will succeed at the box office, and some things will only - which is the biggest only - teach you things that see the future. And they're probably as valuable as any of your successes. -Harold Prince
#92Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 8:13pm
Take a valium dude and chill. Such anger with you. I think you're better off then in UK. Nobody wants to hear your nonstop comments so go away. Enough already with this crap.
"Anything you do, let it it come from you--then it will be new."
Sunday in the Park with George
#93Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 8:21pm
Whatever, Highland Guy was the one who was coming at me. I wasn't gonna let him get away with that crap! This negativity is not something I need right now!
The idea is to work and to experiment. Some things will be creatively successful, some things will succeed at the box office, and some things will only - which is the biggest only - teach you things that see the future. And they're probably as valuable as any of your successes. -Harold Prince
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#94Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 8:21pm
Um, like Sutton said, MIND YOUR BUSINESS! I don’t know who you think you are to judge someone like me along with many others who want to leave the US. The reason why I’m here is because I’m currently involved in an internship! Which hopefully will lead to opening doors for moving here permanently! I am doing what I feel is best for myself. I feel a whole lot safer here in the UK than in the US, that’s for damn sure! So, the next time you wanna call me out, you better say that to my freaking face!"
Sweet Dylan, don't engage any longer with that controlling person who is trying to harass you. He's not worth it. You seem lovely and you're an optimist in this world of sh*t and chaos. Keep doing what you're doing and don't take sh*t from anybody! 
#95Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 8:23pm
Sutton Ross said: Sweet Dylan, don't engage any longer with that controlling person who is trying to harass you. He's not worth it. You seem lovely and you're an optimist in this world of sh*t and chaos. Keep doing what you're doing and don't take sh*t from anybody!"
Thanks Sutton!
The idea is to work and to experiment. Some things will be creatively successful, some things will succeed at the box office, and some things will only - which is the biggest only - teach you things that see the future. And they're probably as valuable as any of your successes. -Harold Prince
RippedMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/14/05
#96Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 8:41pm
The fighting is stupid but I do agree running from the issues isn’t going to solve the issues. But hey London is wonderful and I’d live there too.
#97Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/24/23 at 9:08pm
A bit of good, if perhaps temporary, news. Happy to read that "BroadwayWorld stands with the LGBTQ+ community of Florida". There is strength in numbers. Stand strong for America!
https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Federal-Judge-Temporarily-Blocks-Florida-Anti-Drag-Law-20230624
Non sibi sed patriae
QueenTwinnied
Leading Actor Joined: 6/16/17
#98Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/25/23 at 12:06am
Highland Guy said: "Dylan Smith4 said: "Highland Guy said: "I feel a whole lot safer here in the UK than in the US, that’s for damn sure! "
Then it's best you stay there. The United States is for people who LOVE our country and are willing to fight for our rights.
"
Shut UP. The idea that America is only for people who "love" the country is INSANE when there's so much to critique and change.
Zeppie2022
Broadway Star Joined: 7/12/22
#99Should B’way Tours Avoid Florida?
Posted: 6/25/23 at 10:11am
"Whatever, Highland Guy was the one who was coming at me. I wasn't gonna let him get away with that crap! This negativity is not something I need right now!"
Good for you, go after him because he is a bully. He is an old cranky man who preaches about being civil on this board and then attacks people. He is also good at calling people an "ageist" when they don't agree with him. Hang in there.
