Hamilton on Disney to be MUTED?- Page 6

[jpbran]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 9:15pm

CT2NYC said: "As a strange postscript to this censorship situation, Disney Plus just added anuneditedX-Men: Days of Future Pastto its lineup, and it features a f*ck, as well as Hugh Jackman's bare butt. I guess it wasn'tthatbig of a deal, after all."

I only see one X Men: Days of Future Past on D+; the one rated PG-13, just like Hamilton. Not sure what the postscript is...

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 9:21pm

jpbran said: "CT2NYC said: "As a strange postscript to this censorship situation, Disney Plus just added anuneditedX-Men: Days of Future Pastto its lineup, and it features a f*ck, as well as Hugh Jackman's bare butt. I guess it wasn'tthatbig of a deal, after all."

I only see one X Men: Days of Future Paston D+; the one ratedPG-13, just like Hamilton. Not sure what the postscript is..."

Dude, just read the Variety article I linked. I'm tired of arguing about things I say that make perfect sense. Every once in a while, it would be nice if someone took the time to back me up on here.

Updated On: 7/12/20 at 09:21 PM

[jo]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 10:52pm

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hugh-jackman-butt-uncensored-disney-plus-wolverine-1234704253/

This is the controversial scene/image, properly covered( keep swiping - click right arrow) --   the future Music Man!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCgYxDfDrpm/


Seriously --

The change in Disney+ policy for streamed movies was a cause celebre, enough for Variety to headline the story.  

Presumably the release of the uncensored movie is ushering in a more liberal Disney+ policy.  If maybe they had released Hamilton after this policy initiative, then maybe it would have been kept whole. Although Days of Future Past may have been chosen as the test release on Disney+ because it was one of the most successful movies in the film franchise and has already been seen by many?  Another well-loved movie in the franchise (XMen:First Class -  with McAvoy/Lawrence/Fassbender - PG-13) has not been offered yet, presumably because its most famous scene  is a brief cameo ( again with Jackman) using the F word in a 3-word sentence... 

What happens to the R-rated movies which were very successful at the box office ?  Disney bought the entire FOX library presumably to reinforce its streaming offerings - so it is a bit of a dilemma.  So, maybe it is not just about 1 movie but a whole film library that may have to considered and reviewed seriously by Disney+ ...Deadpool is already campaigning to be seen as well.

Updated On: 7/12/20 at 10:52 PM

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 11:32pm

jo said: "https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hugh-jackman-butt-uncensored-disney-plus-wolverine-1234704253/

This is the controversial scene/image, properly covered( keep swiping - click right arrow) -- the future Music Man!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCgYxDfDrpm/


Seriously --

The change in Disney+ policy for streamed movies was a cause celebre, enough for Variety to headline the story.

Presumably the release of the uncensored movie is ushering in a more liberal Disney+ policy. If maybe they had released Hamilton after this policy initiative, then maybe it would have been kept whole. Although Days of Future Past may have been chosen as the test release on Disney+ because it was one of the most successful movies in the film franchise and hasalready been seen by many? What happens to the R-rated movies which were very successful at the box office ? Disney bought the entire FOX library presumably to reinforce its streaming offerings - so it is a bit of a dilemma."

The only R-rated Fox Marvel movies are Logan and the 2 Deadpool movies, and I don't envision a scenario where those ever appear on Disney Plus. Also, the "motherf***ing" in Hamilton would never have been uncensored on there, regardless of any possible leniency. It seems like this is less about Disney Plus, and more about the fact that X-Men is Fox, and Hamilton is an actual Disney film. If it had been released in theaters next year as planned, I'm assuming the exact same cuts would have been made. That doesn't explain why Splash was edited though, since that was Touchstone.

Updated On: 7/12/20 at 11:32 PM

[jo]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 11:45pm

This is just speculation on my part --

The acquisition of FOX by Disney was very expensive ( especially since they had to up their bid due to a competitive bid from another major media company).  Streaming was emphasized by Disney as the wave of the future ( which came even earlier than planned because of the crisis)... At this time, Disney is financially hurting a lot because their best cash-cow, the theme parks, are not contributing anything due to the pandemic. They cannot also depend this year on the cinema releases of their completed movies. So, they may have come to realize that a change in policy for their streaming service may be an alternative that they should now seriously consider?  

Jo

[joevitus]

Posted: 7/13/20 at 12:33am

CT2NYC said: "jo said: "https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hugh-jackman-butt-uncensored-disney-plus-wolverine-1234704253/

This is the controversial scene/image, properly covered( keep swiping - click right arrow) -- the future Music Man!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCgYxDfDrpm/


Seriously --

The change in Disney+ policy for streamed movies was a cause celebre, enough for Variety to headline the story.

Presumably the release of the uncensored movie is ushering in a more liberal Disney+ policy. If maybe they had released Hamilton after this policy initiative, then maybe it would have been kept whole. Although Days of Future Past may have been chosen as the test release on Disney+ because it was one of the most successful movies in the film franchise and hasalready been seen by many? What happens to the R-rated movies which were very successful at the box office ? Disney bought the entire FOX library presumably to reinforce its streaming offerings - so it is a bit of a dilemma."

The only R-rated FoxMarvel movies areLoganand the 2Deadpoolmovies, and I don't envision a scenario where those ever appear on Disney Plus.Also, the "motherf***ing" in Hamiltonwould never have been uncensored on there, regardless of any possible leniency.It seems like this is less about Disney Plus, and more about the fact that X-Menis Fox, andHamiltonis an actual Disney film. If it had been released in theaters next year as planned, I'm assuming the exact same cuts would have been made. That doesn't explain whySplashwas edited though, since that was Touchstone."

Disagree that a cinema-released Hamilton would have been censored as it is on a Disney channel. I think they would have either released it under a subsidiary company they own (the whole reason Touchstone was created in the first place back in the 80's).

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 7/13/20 at 12:57am

joevitus said: "CT2NYC said: "The only R-rated FoxMarvel movies areLoganand the 2Deadpoolmovies, and I don't envision a scenario where those ever appear on Disney Plus.Also, the "motherf***ing" in Hamiltonwould never have been uncensored on there, regardless of any possible leniency.It seems like this is less about Disney Plus, and more about the fact that X-Menis Fox, andHamiltonis an actual Disney film. If it had been released in theaters next year as planned, I'm assuming the exact same cuts would have been made. That doesn't explain whySplashwas edited though, since that was Touchstone."

Disagree that a cinema-released Hamilton would have been censored as it is on a Disney channel. I think they would have either released it under a subsidiary company they own (the whole reason Touchstone was created in the first place back in the 80's)."

The reason this thread exists is because of an interview Lin-Manuel Miranda gave on the Oscars red carpet in February. Even back then, when it was still a theatrical release, the discussion of censoring had already started, which is a hint that it was going to be released as a Disney film. Along with his work on Moana and Mary Poppins Returns, Lin is now cemented as part of the Disney family, and I highly doubt Touchstone's or Fox's Hamilton was even a consideration. 

https://collider.com/hamilton-movie-censored-disney/

Updated On: 7/13/20 at 12:57 AM

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/13/20 at 11:10am

CT2NYC said: "joevitus said: "Disagree that a cinema-released Hamilton would have been censored as it is on a Disney channel. I think they would have either released it under a subsidiary company they own (the whole reason Touchstone was created in the first place back in the 80's)."

The reason this thread exists is because of an interview Lin-Manuel Miranda gave on the Oscars red carpet in February. Even back then, when it was still a theatrical release, the discussion of censoring had already started, which is a hint that it was going to be released as a Disney film. Along with his work on Moana and Mary Poppins Returns,Lin is now cemented as part of the Disney family, and I highly doubt Touchstone's or Fox's Hamilton was even a consideration.

https://collider.com/hamilton-movie-censored-disney/"

Miranda, right out of the gate, said he was ok with censoring the language. Since this was an already made "movie" that simply required distribution, it leads me to believe the language censorship had already been discussed with Disney before it was acquired.

And I agree, I don't think there was any discussion to release it as anything other than as a Disney "movie." Disney would have announced it otherwise.

[darquegk]

Posted: 7/13/20 at 11:53am

Another thing: Hamilton is definitely a youth outreach work to some extent. Lin knew that the film’s distribution would mean it would likely be a candidate to be aired in schools, but no school would show a movie with MF for fear of teachers getting sued and fired due to overprotective parenting.

[VotePeron]

Posted: 7/13/20 at 12:15pm

Hamilton, never, and I mean, never, would've/could've/will be released in theaters with an "R" rating. All for 2 'f**cks'? The same kids that want to see Hamilton are not also seeing Deadpool. This isn't an issue of censoring to fight "the system", but to make it accessible to kids that want to see a Broadway show.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/13/20 at 5:48pm

The same kids that want to see Hamilton are not also seeing Deadpool.

Yeah, that's completely untrue. Shockingly, you can like action movies AND musicals!

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/14/20 at 3:48am

VotePeron said: "Hamilton, never, and I mean,never, would've/could've/will be released in theaters with an "R" rating. All for 2 'f**cks'? The same kids that want to see Hamilton are not also seeing Deadpool. This isn't an issue of censoring to fight "the system", but to make it accessible to kids that want to see a Broadway show."

Not by Disney. But another studio? It wouldn't have been censored.