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Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
behindthescenes2
Stand-by Joined: 7/30/12
#51Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/19/18 at 3:03pm
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1fb9c6a8-f0c5-42c4-aae5-be85c62e0d18
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#52Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/19/18 at 3:06pm
Yeah, good fun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEpmkqWZgT8
#53Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/19/18 at 3:13pm
Looking at some actors on social media being really nasty about the name change, yet they were the same one standing up for inclusion and change when it comes to taking down the statues, changing confederate names. It's always great except when it's in your backyard...
"Hey little girls, look at all the men in shiny shirts and no wives!" - Jackie Hoffman, Xanadu, 19 Feb 2008
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#54Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/19/18 at 3:24pm
I'm just providing the below links because I do feel there needs to be some perspective as to why this is an issue in the first place and that way people can form their opinions and if they still choose to use the word than it is with this knowledge and knowing the context rather than just working continue to feign ignorance about the issue.
Here's an article about the history of the word "gypsy" and the word "gypped" and its usage and connotations with a history of the Romani people's treatment:
https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/gypsy
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/30/242429836/why-being-gypped-hurts-the-roma-more-than-it-hurts-you
Interesting NY Times write-up about slurs and attempts to neutralize them from 2010:
https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/speech-and-harm/
geoffreyC
Understudy Joined: 4/16/18
#56Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/21/18 at 3:01am
iluvtheatertrash said: "Gypsy Rose Lee was Louise. She got the nickname Gypsy for the SAME EXACT REASON the robe got the nickname. So, if you’re offended by the robe, you should be offended by her “name”. It’s a nickname used in the SAME WAY the robe’s is used. Duh. "
exactly, why do some people think on this thread that her name was actually Gypsy? Her name was Rose Louise Hovick, Gypsy being a nickname I assume given to her because they traveled around the country. Maybe they’ll change the name of the musical to ROSE since her mother is the main character anyway.
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
#57Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/21/18 at 3:04amIs Arthur going to climb out of his grave and change it? The musical will never ever be renamed.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
Elegance101
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/24/17
#58Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/21/18 at 3:11am
The name of the musical, the character in the musical, or the real-life woman have nothing to do with this discussion. One is a tradition that currently carries an offensive name, whereas one is a story about a woman nicknamed Gypsy. Sure, maybe Louise taking that name was offensive by today's standards, but the play is a historical piece, where the characters are not acting according to today's standards. Can we stop comparing changing the name of this tradition to changing the name of a classic musical?
#59Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/21/18 at 6:06amalmost like how the Gypsy Robe is named after the same exact type of thing the woman was named after. neither one was named in order to offend a migrant European race of people.
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#60Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/21/18 at 8:44am
Elegance101 wrote:
"The name of the musical, the character in the musical, or the real-life woman have nothing to do with this discussion."
Maybe not, but with the word itself being unacceptable, it's not at all difficult to foresee that the title of the musical will equally be deemed as such, and that it needs to be changed.
Elegance101
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/24/17
#61Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/21/18 at 2:54pm
gypsy101 said: "almost like how the Gypsy Robe is named after the same exact type of thing the woman was named after. neither one was named in order to offend a migrant European race of people."
Expect this ceremony is a living, breathing thing that can be changed as we learn and are educated. Ceremony names can change with the times. The woman is long dead, and the musical is depicting a different time. Let’s stop pretending the names are the same thing, and let’s move on from the “Gypsy Robe” because holding onto a name when that’s not what the ceremony is even about is stupid.
#62Name Change for Gypsy Robe Ceremony
Posted: 4/21/18 at 3:17pm
gypsy101 said: "neither one was named in order to offend a migrant European race of people."
it's not about intent, but effect. Do you really not realize that?
