Oklahoma! Attendance recently- Page 2
Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Pose2
Broadway Star Joined: 4/24/19
#25Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 1:32pm
Am finally going to see Oklahoma on Wednesday evening and Im terrified of certain people being absent
Just stop with the dramaaaaaaa. It's ridiculous. You are paying for the show. That's it. That is all you get.
#26Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 1:39pmIf we are ‘only paying for the show’ why do they advertise Tony winners and nominees, or the cast at all? ‘Paying for the show’ is West end producer marketing spin for not being accountable when it comes to show time to deliver what they advertised. It’s fine to want to expect acclaimed performances in a show when they have led you to believe you are going to see them.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
ModernMillie3
Broadway Star Joined: 9/23/13
#27Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 1:40pm
Anyway, when did all of this absenteeism become so acceptable? In the golden days of Broadway it was almost unheard of. People were workhorses back then.
When people started standing up for themselves and taking care of their mental, emotional and physical health perhaps? This isn't the golden age of Broadway, actors are human beings, and they perform when they are able. End of story.
#28Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 2:21pm
ModernMillie3 said: "When people started standing up for themselves and taking care of their mental, emotional and physical health perhaps? This isn't the golden age of Broadway, actors are human beings, and they perform when they are able. End of story."
Yup. I went to see a popular Broadway musical recently, and the lead actor was replaced by his standby fifteen minutes in. Couldn't believe it, because he sounded amazing and there didn't seem to be a visible issue. Come to find out, he was experiencing a panic attack 
UncleCharlie
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/26/16
#29Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 2:36pm
BillyComet said: "It wouldn’t be a thread without dollypop saying something sarcastic."
It wouldn't be a thread without someone talking about the lack of work ethic of "this younger generation" and that Ethel Merman never missed a performance and still went on in shows she had committed to even after she passed away.
Anyway, Ali was on when I saw the show in June. So now you've finally met someone who's seen her perform. Nice to meet you.
ModernMillie3
Broadway Star Joined: 9/23/13
#30Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 2:42pm
Ali was in all four times I've seen it as well. Nice to meet ya OP!
#31Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 2:52pm
UncleCharlie said: "BillyComet said: "It wouldn’t be a thread without dollypop saying something sarcastic."
It wouldn't be a thread without someone talking about the lack of work ethic of "this younger generation" and thatEthel Merman never missed a performance and still went on in showsshe had committed to even after she passed away.
Anyway, Ali was on when I saw the show in June. So now you've finally met someone who's seen her perform. Nice to meet you."
You advertise someone as a cast member--what do you know, you'll find people disappointed when the cast member doesn't show up. As I said, illness or vacation aren't the same things as skipping erratically. Asking why that's going on isn't crime, and deserves a better response than "because they are human and Ethel Merman is dead."
UncleCharlie
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/26/16
#32Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 3:00pm
joevitus said: "You advertise someone as a cast member--what do you know, you'll find people disappointed when the cast member doesn't show up. As I said, illness or vacation aren't the same things as skipping erratically. Asking why that's going on isn't crime, and deserves a better response than "because they are human and Ethel Merman is dead.""
My point wasn't about being disappointed when a performer is out. My point was about making wide sweeping ridiculous generalizations about a whole generation of people and tired hackneyed comparisons to performers from 60 years ago. I'm not surprised the distinction was lost on you. And can you contribute any actual, factual data on how many times she's been out? Cause all I've seen so far is she wasn't in when I went so she must be out all the time.
#33Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 5:07pm
Wow, your insult remains, mine's deleted. Good job, mods!
Please give an example of the "sweeping ridiculous generalizations" you're referring to, as I see none. I think the point of my post among others are more lost on you than vice versa.
#34Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 7:21pmInteresting. I’ve seen the show three times and never missed a main cast member.
BillyComet
Understudy Joined: 12/15/16
#35Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 8:10pmCan somebody please post about tonight’s attendance?
Pose2
Broadway Star Joined: 4/24/19
#36Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 8:28pm
My point was about making wide sweeping ridiculous generalizations about a whole generation of people and tired hackneyed comparisons to performers from 60 years ago. I'm not surprised the distinction was lost on you.
Not surprising at all! 
jjcasual
Chorus Member Joined: 2/15/16
#37Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 10:02pmI think only Will Brill was out tonight.
#38Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 10:40pm
Pose2 said: "My point was about making wide sweeping ridiculous generalizations abouta whole generation of people and tired hackneyed comparisons to performers from 60 years ago. I'm not surprised the distinction was lost on you.
Not surprising at all! "
You want to tell me where the sweeping generalizations are? Putting down a stranger is easy. Backing up a point seems more difficult for him.
seahag2
Featured Actor Joined: 2/15/15
#39Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 11:05pm
was there tonight (9/24) - will brill was the only actor out !
so I smile like Mona Lisa and I lay my Visa down
UncleCharlie
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/26/16
#40Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 11:42pm
joevitus said: "You want to tell me where the sweeping generalizations are? Putting down a stranger is easy. Backing up a point seems more difficult for him."
"When did the younger generation think that it’s all right to miss performance after performance?" "Anyway, when did all of this absenteeism become so acceptable?"
I wasn't going to respond any further cause I do think you are someone who likes to stir stuff up just to entertain yourself but there you go. I thought my 2 earlier comments made it screamingly clear what I was referring to but apparently not enough for you. No, because of one 32 year old actor apparently missing a few performances, the entire "younger generation" does not think it's alright to miss performance after performance nor does anyone think it is acceptable. As I said, a sweeping and ridiculous generalization about an entire generation of actors based on one person. Plenty of younger performers have great attendance records and older performers have had unscheduled absences.
Now, you've publicly defamed her on this board with your comment "But regularly missing performances--especially on an erratic basis--does suggest unprofessionalism" without providing any data to back it up. How about you man up and provide some specific data on her attendance record. Not impressions, not guesses, not stuff you heard from other people but specifically how many unplanned absences she's had. Let's see if it's actually as erratic as you want everyone to believe. I'll wait right here for your response.
Zion24
Broadway Star Joined: 3/27/19
#41Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/24/19 at 11:56pm
Bravo, Uncle Charlie. This entire thread is somewhat ridiculous if you ask me. Stroker calls out a bunch. No idea why. Thats between her and her employer-and most professionals in NYC have months' worth of vacation, personal days, sick days-- and have two days off every week minimum. So this haughty attitude *demanding* attendance is just plain gross.
And totally bizarre that the Oklahoma! cast is being tagged with this. Even if we are going to point fingers at Stroker and apparently Damon, theres a whole company there and as far as I know the rest of them have been performing this wonderfully for months. (Both times I saw the show, everyone was in.) Just plain silly.
BillyComet
Understudy Joined: 12/15/16
#42Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 6:47am
Hey all! OP here. I really didn’t mean to start all of this drama. I honestly just wanted to know if any of the principles had vacations this week. It’s nice to see that everyone was in last night and if anyone can report about today’s matinee that would be really wonderful.
Just because I really do want to see the Tony award winning performance doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have a right to be absent from time to time. I was simply asking a question.
I have absolutely NOTHING against Ali or any of the principal cast!
#43Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 9:32am
UncleCharlie said: "joevitus said: "You want to tell me where the sweeping generalizations are? Putting down a stranger is easy. Backing up a point seems more difficult for him."
"When did the younger generation think that it’s all right to miss performance after performance?" "Anyway, when did all of this absenteeism become so acceptable?"
I wasn't going to respond any further cause I do think you are someone who likes to stir stuff up just to entertain yourself but there you go. I thought my 2 earlier comments made it screamingly clear what I was referring to but apparently not enough for you. No, because ofone 32 year old actor apparently missing a few performances, the entire "younger generation" does not think it's alright to miss performance after performance nor does anyone think it is acceptable. As I said, a sweeping and ridiculous generalization about an entire generation of actors based on one person.Plenty of younger performers have great attendance records and older performers have had unscheduled absences.
Now, you've publicly defamed her on this board with your comment "But regularly missing performances--especially on an erratic basis--does suggest unprofessionalism" without providing any data to back it up. How about you man up and provide some specific data on her attendance record. Not impressions, not guesses, not stuff you heard from other people but specifically how many unplanned absences she's had. Let's see if it's actually as erratic as you want everyone to believe. I'll wait right here for your response."
Only defamed to a mind like yours. In fact, regularly missing performances on an erratic basis does suggest unprofessionalism. This is neither sweeping nor a generalization. Nor does it actually attack her, or anyone, as it simply says this is how it looks, not what it going on. And it's a fairly good question to ask when absenteeism became acceptable. Indeed, your whole argument is the frequent absenteeism is acceptable, so that's no sweeping generalization, it's a specific question directed at people such as yourself who defend it and launch screeds against anyone who questions paying top dollar for a show and then not getting the cast advertised.
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UncleCharlie
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/26/16
#44Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 1:39pm
joevitus said: "Only defamed toamind like yours. In fact, regularly missing performances on an erratic basis does suggest unprofessionalism. This is neither sweeping nor a generalization. Nor does it actually attack her, or anyone, as it simply says this is how it looks, not what it going on. And it's a fairly good question to ask when absenteeism became acceptable. Indeed, your whole argument is the frequent absenteeismis acceptable, so that's no sweeping generalization, it's a specific question directed atpeople such as yourself who defend it and launch screeds against anyone who questions paying top dollar for a show and then not getting the cast advertised."
That you could respond with "Indeed, your whole argument is the frequent absenteeism is acceptable" after I specifically said "the entire 'younger generation' does not think it's alright to miss performance after performance nor does anyone think it is acceptable" is perhaps the best illustration of why it's pointless to try to have a conversation with someone like you. And repeatedly claiming a performer has an erratic attendance record without actually providing or I would imagine having any actual evidence to back this claim up and basing it entirely on second and third hand hearsay is the very definition of defamation. So I'll ask again for the second and final time. Provide actual attendance data to support your claim that Ali's attendance record is erratic or retract your claim and apologize. Put up or shut up.
BillyComet
Understudy Joined: 12/15/16
#45Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 1:48pmIs anyone at the matinee this afternoon and can confirm attendance?
jjcasual
Chorus Member Joined: 2/15/16
#46Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 2:28pmBillyComet said: "Is anyone at the matinee this afternoon and can confirm attendance?"
Out of curiosity, what's your plan if your preferred cast member isn't in for your show?
#47Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 2:31pm
I get that in your mind anyone disagreeing with you is a troll (because doesn't the rest of the world exist to merely to validate you?) but that isn't reality.
The idea that people are so offended on the part of actors that no one better dare question while they are absent is just internet craziness. That's being way too obsessional. It's perfectly acceptable to ask why actors are repeatedly absent from shows, especially if they are advertised as appearing in the show when you bought your ticket, and to see that as unprofessional. They signed a contract. They have an obligation.
The hostility some around here have to alternate viewpoints, and the need to smear anyone voicing them. This is low, even by anonymous internet standards.
BillyComet
Understudy Joined: 12/15/16
#48Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 3:09pm
jjcasual said: "BillyComet said: "Is anyone at the matinee this afternoon and can confirm attendance?"
Out of curiosity, what's your plan if your preferred cast member isn't in for your show?"
Probably post-date my ticket, which I’ve done successfully several times before.
#49Oklahoma! Attendance recently
Posted: 9/25/19 at 3:22pm
A professional performer is a one person business. They own and sell a commodity-themselves. An audition is their 'shop window' . If they are 'sold' then a contract of sale with CONDITIONS are agreed upon between buyer and seller.
What goes into that contract is private.
If the merchandise proves to be faulty then the sale is null and void.
A performer protects their own property but if being 'terrified' that your person might be off the night you want to go see them, how about making the SHOW the reason for buying a ticket, the rest an unexpected bonus.
