Listening to Mayor Big Bird. He wants to deliver the final blow to the city's destruction. They are taking about closing bars and restaurants. After they have succeeded in destroying the city this will be the final blow.After they have locked down the city we can get a view of what happens when dems get their way. They have brought this city to its knees by making sure no one can enjoy themselves .When the smoke clears the city will look like a bomb hit it. Most of those businessas will never reopen. It will not be pretty.Broadway will not be the same as when they were in business. Many shows will close and a number will not be opening. Stock up on booze and as this drags on it will become very hard to get this.Probably in a short time city will deem selling booze. during this tough times may lead to increased crime and they will than be on the chopping block.Enjoy while you still can kiddies
Last weekend I was visiting my in-laws in Tampa. We went to a musical festival on the riverfront with a whole bunch of people and had dinner at restaurant which was crowded. We also went to NY Yankee ST game that had over 10,000 in attendance. We went to Disneyworld for a day and obviously there are quite a few people in the parks. We are obviously feeling fine. Last night in Charlotte, we went to the movies and had dinner. Both places had people in them although not as crowded as normal. There is a fine line between being safe and scared of your own shadow. BTW - we are both "elderly" and in addition my wife is a nurse and works in a hospital. IMO she is more likely to catch something working than at a less than crowded restaurant.
Right over the border, DC officials have closed nightclubs and placed major restrictions on restaurants.Washington, DC imposes new restrictions on bars, restaurants to combat coronavirusETA: no judgement here btw. I suppose we have to do whatever is necessary to flatten the curve.
"Right over the border, DC officials have closed nightclubs and placed major restrictions on restaurants.Washington, DC imposes new restrictions on bars, restaurants to combat coronavirusETA: no judgement here btw. I suppose we have to do whatever is necessary to flatten the curve."Schools are closed, all major sports have been canceled/suspended, people are working from home and movie theaters are not selling as many seats so there is more space between people. I understand you have to do what you can but would like to think that we still need to live a little bit, we did with the swine flu.
yankeefan7 said: "Schools are closed, all major sports have been canceled/suspended, people are working from home and movie theaters are not selling as many seats so there is more space between people. I understand you have to do what you can but would like to think that we still need to live a little bit, we did with the swine flu."I don't recall swine flu in either the 70s or 80s posting the same kind of numbers as covid-19 but I'm not a virologist or MD. Something feels different about this one. We're resourceful people capable of making adjustments.ETA: I remember my mom and me not getting the swine flu vaccine in the mid 70s because we got lost on the way to school in the hinterlands that was administering the vaccination program locally. We were relieved shortly after reports of deaths related to the vaccine emerged.
"I don't recall swine flu in either the 70s or 80s posting the same kind of numbers as covid-19 but I'm not a virologist or MD. Something feels different about this one. We're resourceful people capable of making adjustments."I am no doctor either so I guess we will all see.
I have the sense that people are not wrapping their heads around this pandemic? Or that it changes EVERYTHING about our culture until further notice?Can you consider 600,000 - 700,000 dead Americans? That's hard. One of our survival mechanisms is denial. "That's not going to happen." And then when it starts to get worse that evolves to ,"That's not going to happen, to ME."Theses are normal reactions. But this is not a normal situation. I don't know how much clearer Anthony Fauci can be on this without pissing off the Administration, (which, I can tell with absolute certainty, is squelching public health experts from laying out the projected urgency with stark reality)... Covid is ten times more deadly than the flu. Comparisons to any pandemics any of us has lived through do not apply.I wish everybody reading this the best. By the time the dust settles, everything is going to look much different. Some businesses will bounce back, a lot won't. Some of us will still be around to reread this thread but some won't.
Maryland governor announces closure of bars, restaurants, movie theaters effective at 5 p.m. MondayShaite just got real!
Mr Roxy said: "Listening to Mayor Big Bird. He wants to deliver the final blow to the city's destruction. They are taking about closing bars and restaurants. After they have succeeded in destroying the city this will be the final blow.After they have locked down the city we can get a view of what happens when dems get their way. They have brought this city to its knees by making sure no one can enjoy themselves .When the smoke clears the city will look like a bomb hit it. Most of those businessas will never reopen. It will not be pretty.Broadway will not be the same as when they were in business. Many shows will close and a number will not be opening.Stock up on booze and as this drags on it will become very hard to get this.Probably in a short time city will deem selling booze. during this tough times may lead to increased crime and they will than be on the chopping block.Enjoy while you still can kiddies"So, you're blaming the Democrats on the Coronavirus? Are you f'ing serious? "Dems getting their way" is protecting people. Do you not beleive the Coronavirus is real? Our President less than a week ago called this whole thing a hoax and look where we are now. Looks like listening to Dems might save thousands and thousands of lives. Jesus get an f'ing grip you boomer. Edit: I also want to add, shame on you for politicizing a global pandemic. Reality and facts and life are a thing, sorry its not always great. Deal with it. Truly, shame on you. Every city in America is about to shutdown and other countries have done the same. Has nothing to do with "the democrats way", just what a shameful and uneducated post. Truly, stupid, and uneducated. Turn off Fox News and don't go outside, for your own health. Truly.
I weighed whether or not to even comment on what Roxy wrote. He's is muuuuuuuch older than the Boomer generation. He's like Bernie Sanders but less warm and fuzzy. Picture a Mitch McConnell-type who saw a few good shows back in the '60s. He's Archie Bunker with a soft spot for, "It's A Bird! It's A Plane! It's Superman!!".When Democrats were in charge, a pandemic response team was put together. An important event that many probably don't even remember was that Zika outbreak in Southern Florida a few years ago? The mosquito-borne pathogen that was causing an alarming number of birth defects in Brazil? A flare up happened around Miami and it was tamped down by the pandemic response team that Obama had built up over time. In May of 2018, DTr*mp and John Bolton fired Rear Adm. R. Timothy Ziemer who was, according to The Washington Post, "The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic..." like the one we're buckling under now. Also, "the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton." That was the pandemic response team. When asked about this terrible lapse in judgment last week, Tr*mp said he didn't know anything about it, he didn't do it, maybe somebody in his administration did it.So not only is it false, what Roxy asserted about how the "Dems" want things, it is the literal truth this is what the current [B]administration has done. Or, as I have been putting it the last few days, "That Was Then, and That's Why This is Now."
Exactly Namo. Funny this is happening now. With this administration. That disbanded the pandemic response team.But that means nothing to people like Roxy who evidently just hate Democrats and will twist things around any way they can to blame them. Forget being educated and informed.
It's not leadership. I mean, thank god for the governors and mayors who can do what they can, but there is no coordinated national response effort. It's like Hurricane Katrina but from coast to coast to coast and there is going to be an astronomical death toll globally, and numbers in the US that are difficult to even contemplate. Roxy's an angry person but not a serious person and thinking deeply about things has never been an interest of his.
Crickets from Roxy. Clown!
In the Transtheoretical Health Model of Behavior Change, educators and informed community members try to meet all people "where they are at" and to assist them if they choose to move along what Carlo C. DiClemente and J. O. Prochaska called "The Five Stages of Change" toward healthier behaviors. Community is key. Feeling connected to others, and to all human beings on the planet, is one way to effect healthy behaviors on a macro level.So, let's say we're informed community members who are concerned that people we know are not taking health warnings seriously at all, and as in this instance, endangering others in their community by being dismissive and caustic about public health measures that are stark, difficult and known to work. In this hypothetical, I will make up a pseudonym for one such community member. For sake of this discussion, let's just call him "Mr. R." Basic demographics are that he is a white male geriatric who self-reports being in poor health. Whether or not his maladies are a natural part of the aging process or significant disease not necessarily related to aging is unclear at this time. "Mr. R" presents as someone who could possibly be depressed. He has in the past mentioned smoking cigars, is a re-married widower, worried about finances, and has dealt with cancer issues. Where else is "Mr. R" at? "Mr.R." has been lied to for well over two decades by the programming of a particular cable television channel that repetitively presents ideas disguised as "news" meant to anger and isolate him. This channel's programming has torn families apart, caused previously kind-hearted and empathetic members of our culture to become fearful to the point of terror, and to engage their fight or flight responses. The more isolated and angry the viewer becomes, the more likely they are to stay in their homes and have their biases confirmed by the channel, which many viewers watch all day. Viewers are bombarded by commercials urging them to purchase products via mail order, (see also, Pillow, My; commemorative coins marketed as "Patriotic" and sold with implied speculation that the "collectibles" will only increase in value over time).Since the beginning of 2020, this channel has minimized the risks associated with Covid-19, the novel coronavirus that is 10 times deadlier than influenza. "Mr. R," like all indoctrinated by this news channel, is incapable of exhibiting critical thinking skills when it comes to the ideas hammered home again and again by this channel. Consequently, these viewers, including "Mr. R." have had their ability to make distinctions between fact and the fiction presented to them. The channel professes to be the only information source trustworthy enough for its viewers. Because of this, viewers are simply unable to perceive when the pathological liar who is currently President* of the United States (16,000 lies documented by The Washington Post in three years of his presidency) is lying through his teeth. The lying comes as naturally to him as breathing. Unyielding belief in the man resembles a post-hypnotic suggestion triggered by the cable channel to its viewers.Because this channel and president* belittled and mocked concerns about Covid-19, throughout the crucial weeks when a serious assessment could have happened and steps to contain the virus could have tamped down the spread and prevented the epidemic explosion we are about to see for at least the next six months, but perhaps longer [see also, Pandemic Preparedness Taskforce, est. Obama, Barack; dismantled, Trump, Donald, Bolton, "He Is The Walrus," John], his followers have maintained that this deadly threat is "a hoax" that has been pushed by the opposition party just to increase the likelihood of the president's* re-election.If you look at the five stages of change, you can see how the multi-faceted details about Covid-19 might be too much information for members of a community to be able to take in, digest and internalize. Oh I forgot to tell you what the five stages of change ARE, didn't I?A quick thumbnail, the Five Stages of Change Are These, by Namo, Finding:PrecontemplationContemplationPreparationActionMaintenanceIn the "Precontemplation" stage, a member of the community is just out there living life, thinking their life is their life and there does't need to be any change to improve the chances that their life might be better or last longer if they made xxx behavior change. (ie, a person who does not know he has diabetes, but loves beer and donuts, and has had no reason to think he needs to give either of them up; a smoker who just doesn't think of the habit as a problem and perceives future outcomes as if they are so far away they have barely coalesced into abstract thought.)In the "Contemplation" stage a person is now thinking "maybe there is something to all this stuff I have been ignoring." Messages from trusted family and community members are more likely to be recalled and pondered, than official public service announcements and the like. In the case of that certain cable channel and elected officials of the president's party, the idea that anything anybody says who is NOT a viewer of the channel or in the party is not only suspect, but should be immediately dismissed as a lie, or, to use the colloquialism, "FAKE.""Mr. R.," in my totally unprofessional estimation is stuck somewhere between Precontemplation and Contemplation, with particular stress being caused by the notion of people other than that anchors and fellow viewers of that channel or his own political party having something to say that MIGHT be true.It can be challenging for community members to just sit tight and hope something helps such folks move along the further stages of change. They can NOT be forced, as their natural resistance to anything that would upset the views that are being bolstered by a party leader and its propaganda delivery arm, could cause so much tension they might slide all the way back to the pre-contemplative stage as a conscious response to the external pressure they receive. I personally wonder what it must be like for viewers to suddenly see the staunchly pre-contemplative president* suddenly dash through the contemplative stage and shockingly appear today on that news channel's coverage of his Covid-19 press conference at the next stage of change, Preparation [getting a plan ready]?Since the president* is a man of limited imagination and small vocabulary, he never explains his reversals. Criticizing the Governor of Washington ("A SNAKE!" one day, and praising him after a group phone call with the Governors of the US the next day, might cause a critical thinker to ask for an explanation. But he is not a man who explains himself, and on the rare occasions he tries, he does not do it well. The cable channel has conditioned viewers not to question anything he says or anything they tell viewers. That the narrative frequently gets contradicted is not something that even registers with most viewers, who have actually been indoctrinated. That's why "Mr. R" immediately turned the closing of bars and restaurants in New York City into a "Dem" idea while completely ignoring the socio-political context of this awful moment in time., Instead, he presented a new "several weeks after it would have been most effective" public health measure. No questions asked, none answered. No process by which people could learn.The final two steps in the Stages of Change Transtheoretical Model are the "Action" and "Maintenance" steps. This is when the community member does make the changes for healthier outcomes, very often with feelings of great personal sacrifice as well as a need to process the grief of losing pleasurable, "normal," habitual, everyday behaviors. Of course, because humans are humans, people can often slide back to earlier stages. They are not to be scolded or condescended to for that, but rather encouraged to think about things that were better or worse with the changes and to start again, at least on the contemplative stage. Eventually, when behavior changes become more or less habitual, the community member is in the Maintenance stage where the community as a whole urges them to keep up the good work at exhibiting healthier behaviors.Because of all that, I hope this thread stays up. The "Mr. R's" of the world do us a favor and remind us there are external forces and internal biases that shape our perceptions of the world around us. Sometimes in ways that are harmful to the individual but also harmful to the community at large.When that happens, for the interest of all, we should try to (altogether now) meet these folks "where they're at."Making fun of the need for people, especially older people, to isolate in this period ends up harming everyone. As I said earlier, it's too late to stop the pain. There could be anywhere from 600,000 to 1 million American deaths because of this novel Covid-19. Our only hope, as an American culture, is to not have the illness be so widespread at once that the hospital system collapses and even more people die. 10-20% of the people who have been hospitalized are currently not making it back out of the hospital alive. The length of stay for the average intensive care patient who needs to be intubated so as not to drown on their own fluids trapped in their lungs, is an astonishingly long 18 days.So that's why we need to "meet people where they are at" and hope that something clicks to help them move in their thought processes to help themselves, their loved ones, and the community around them. The vexing question is, how do you motivate people inculcated with messages of fear of others and "fake news" to think of "the greater good." I guess we shall see. We shall see.[The opinions expressed in this post are only those of FindingNamo as a human being just like yourselves. Any similarities to people living or dead in the scenarios presented are purely coincidental. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Connect with others virtually [people do CARE about you, you know!], and if you do have to go out, keep six feet apart from others and maybe even more, like eight feet if the person appears to be in their 50s or above. Goodnight everybody, you've been great! FN]
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