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[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 1:46am

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[Dave28282]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 3:50am

Let's sing a happy song together! And organise a meeting with flowers next week saying: ""We will not let them harm our mood". That will teach them.

Seriously. Why are classes in all schools of the country not immediately adjusted? Most of these terrorists live and work in the UK, USA, etc. They were never exposed to critical thinking or other religions. Why do we keep on insisting creating world alienated people? Why do we allow that? Why are so many people never exposed to anything else, even in this society? Why the hell is it taking so long for the government to do anything about that? The seeds are planted when they are very young. Schools and laws should take responsibility. It's the indoctrination of religion that is the real perpetrator.

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 03:50 AM

[bethnor]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 5:12am

well, sadly, it's just like spotlight.  everyone knows what's going on.  but religion is so precious to people, we would rather let it rape our children rather than let it go. 

unfortunately, liberals are very much to blame for this, as the majority are unable to split religion from culture, and so they will not allow a mature conversation about the subject, axiomatically equating criticism of religion with racism.  it's the same phenomena; religion is too precious, we'd rather let it burn down the world rather than let it go (seems like it will come to that, sadly).

that is a mistake, as people could have otherwise confronted religion using their own language.  the christian far right was able to stoke fear of islam among moderates.  we should have been responding that islam (and ISIS) comes from monotheism, and the need for people to have christianity is what gives us islam and ISIS in the first place.  not working out too good for civilization.

to be clear, religion cannot be extirpated.  we should not try.  however, we should be doing what we can to minimize its public influence.  that is to say, they deserve an EQUAL place at the table.  at present, they are granted a SPECIAL place at the table.

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 05:12 AM

[Dave28282]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 5:39am

I agree. Sadly, people think their religion is their identity. As long as they don't learn it's not, they will stay confused.

Edit: Just as some people think religion is the law. As long as these are not separated, a country stays a zoo.

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 05:39 AM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 1:24pm

 Why are so many people never exposed to anything else, even in this society? Why the hell is it taking so long for the government to do anything about that? The seeds are planted when they are very young. Schools and laws should take responsibility. It's the indoctrination of religion that is the real perpetrator.

That's funny, you talk about the world like your some scholar when in reality you don't know **** about anything. First of all, it's a well known fact that most home grown terrorists are radicalized later in life. You want to know what births them? ISIS Recruiters latching onto disdain for the Muslim faith which you are doing NOTHING to dispel. That's what breeds terrorism, not a religion.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 1:34pm

TheatreFan4 said: "You want to know what births them? ISIS Recruiters latching onto disdain for the Muslim faith which you are doing NOTHING to dispel. That's what breeds terrorism, not a religion."

I strongly suspect that the daily bombing of Muslim families in the Middle East is a far bigger issue for them than a few people critiquing Islam on a Broadway message board.

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 01:34 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 1:51pm

"I strongly suspect that the daily bombing of Muslim families in the Middle East is a far bigger issue for them than a few people critiquing Islam on a Broadway message board."

Your suspicions are correct, Dogg, because the Muslim families don't even know about us.

oy vey.

 

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 5:10pm

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[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 5:32pm

I am so sick of hearing its liberals faults it's Republicans etc. Shut the hell up. You wanna place the blame? Look closer to home, your government, my government are arming terrorism and you are sat there blaming others? This has nothing to do with Islam, if you believe that then you need to get an education fast and stop watching Fox News. 

 

Islam does not promote any of this, they are horrified their religion is hijacked by extreme terrorists. Our countries are bombing the crap out of the Middle East on a daily basis, at some point that was going to create this kind of action. It's like you all think it's as simple as the stupid narrative that Trump pushes, it's ridiculous. 

 

Open youe eyes, your government, my goverement are the ones to blame. You can mock love and standing together all you want but I would rather go with that than the misguided hate that appears on here placing blame and mocking, what do you think that does exactly? What does this stupid thread title do? America is seen as the world leader in funding terror through Saudi Arabia and you are arguing about liberals etc? Get a damn clue. 

 

As for showing the terrorists ain't breaking us here in the UK, instead of mocking us maybe you should look to exactly what your country did after Sept 11th and what that has caused?

 

The huge concert tonight in Manchester led by Miss Grande is the way we choose to respond, yes we have also got tough and our CTU is doing an amazing job, but to be so negative is not doing anyone any good other than pushing your own political agenda. It's nothing to do with liberals, it's nothing to do with republicans, it's to do with hate from a few people.

 

And the fact that the UK and USA are controlled by the right blows the stupid 'liberal' theory out of the water, in fact the U.K. Has never been attacked so much.

 

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 5:40pm

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[adamgreer]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 5:57pm

songanddanceman2 said: "Our countries are bombing the crap out of the Middle East on a daily basis, at some point that was going to create this kind of action.

 

This. 100% this. 




 

 

 

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 6:36pm

Left-wing logic: You can identify as whatever gender or being you want to, no one can tell you you're not a real woman! But not everyone can be a 'real' Muslim. You can devote your life to Allah, memorise the holy text and literally carry out the holy missions described in the text and/or the Hadith. But you're not a 'real' Muslim. You're only a real Muslim if you adopt progressive ideas to pick and choose, ignore or reject the fundamentalist teachings. 

The London attackers shout "this is for Allah" and we are still fed the ridiculous idea that it has 'nothing to do with Islam'.

Of course it is in the interests of the Islamic community to try and distance themselves from these whack jobs. But how is that going to help change their ideas and beliefs? If we don't challenge their ideas and beliefs - it will never ever stop. And by we I'm mostly convinced it has to be influential Muslim leaders that need to do this. They are not going to listen to anyone who is not a Muslim. (Though it's challenging because these people do not think many moderates are 'real' Muslims, either). 

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 06:36 PM

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 6:54pm

"If you can differentiate between the KKK and Christians then you can do the same for Islamist Extremists and Muslims"

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 6:57pm

Like there are sects of Christians who choose to adopt progressive ideas there are sects of Islam who do the same.  

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 7:01pm

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[South Florida]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 7:05pm

golbinau, you may be a little too strident change is slow.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 7:06pm

Can you imagine someone picking up a science text book and using that to justify the persecution of gay people, women, and to justify violent acts? I can't.

You yourself seem to be picking up a science book (or the Richard Dawkins bibliography) and using it to justify the persecution of every practicing Muslim. Even using phrases like "religions that must be wiped out" is absolutely unreal to me. Please re-evaluate.

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 07:06 PM

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 7:13pm

I don't wish people to confuse my criticism of belief systems and ideas with persecuting people. The issue is not the individual person level but the wider systems in which they are indoctrinated into and the consequential behaviours of this indoctrination. 

The vision of reducing religious beliefs and their influence on behaviour and political systems I think is incredibly noble and important to reduce terrorism and the ill treatment of gay people, women, atheists etc. 

Updated On: 12/10/19 at 07:13 PM

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 7:20pm

Left-wing logic: You can identify as whatever gender or being you want to, no one can tell you you're not a real woman! But not everyone can be a 'real' Muslim.

 

I mean, you seem to be trying to be deliberately offensive. Are you transphobic as well as Islamophobic? I don't get your point here at all.

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 7:29pm

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[Dave28282]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 7:59pm

TheatreFan4 said: "  it's a well known fact that most home grown terrorists are radicalized later in life. You want to know what births them? ISIS Recruiters latching onto disdain for the Muslim faith which you are doing NOTHING to dispel. That's what breeds terrorism, not a religion."

 

It is all about religion. 

The radical part is the upbringing, planting seeds in their minds that Allah is almighty and indoctrinate children in a way which says that they need to do whatever you think Allah wants, and therefore creating an alienated person. From there it's only a small step to think (later in life) you are doing good while you are actually doing something bad. This is per definition dangerous. Because of this indoctrination, a person becomes extremely vulnerable to manipulation and creates no sense of self. Responsibility is not present this way. Therefore all children must be taught a much wider worldview from the start.
 

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 07:59 PM

[darquegk]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 8:41pm

So, according to Qolbinau, organized religion is the cancer killing the world. According to Dave, who takes it a step further, the mere belief in a higher power, by it being a HIGHER power, is a fundamentally radical and destructive act regardless of what morals or actions it inspires. Am I following okay?

 

I'd like to bring up one of the more difficult philosophical debates of theism vs. atheism: as militant "evangelical atheists," do you believe in the existence of morals, or only of ethics?

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 10:16pm

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[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 10:51pm

^ It must seriously hurt your fingers to type that much crap. Seriously.... STOP TYPING.

Updated On: 6/4/17 at 10:51 PM

[binau]

Posted: 6/4/17 at 10:59pm

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Updated On: 12/19/19 at 10:59 PM