Bernadette Vs. Patti
Bernadette Vs. Patti
lupone76
Featured Actor Joined: 12/9/11
#1Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 10:40am
I'm not asking for anyone to compare these two Broadway stars as far as who they prefer?, who has more talent? The fact is these two women could not be more different from one another, yet their careers often mirror image and over lap each other. They are both considered the grand dames of the post Golden Age Broadway stage. Very often they have even played the same role or wanted to play the same role. What I've always wondered is do these two women actually get along or is their some fricition between them? I have never seen them interact together except at Sondheim's 80th. My opinion is that they really don't wish to be friends. I've always wanted them to co-star on Broadway together. What are some perceptions that others have on this subject?
Updated On: 2/11/13 at 10:40 AM
#2Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 10:45amI actually heard that Patti went to see Bernadette in Annie Get Your Gun over 95 times, so make of that what you will.
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
#2Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 10:49amPatti holds Bernadette's mane of hair when she barfs at the bathroom in Joe Allen after they spend the night doing Irish Car Bombs.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal
"I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
lupone76
Featured Actor Joined: 12/9/11
#3Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 10:52amThanks for the snarky responses. First of all, Patti does not look the type to see any show 95 times. And Betty Boy, your really not that funny at all.
#4Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 10:54am
It's also not funny to raise this belabored topic again. The women appear to have a professional relationship. Nothing more to say.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal
"I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
#5Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 10:59amIt certainly wouldn't be in the interest of either woman to publicly deride the other. I doubt that they are girlfriends, but they seem to be cordial, at least by public standards. I have heard that Patti was very upset not to have gotten the ANNIE GET YOUR GUN revival, but she never made any negative statements about Bernadette in public.
"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe."
-John Guare, Landscape of the Body
lupone76
Featured Actor Joined: 12/9/11
#6Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 11:01amI legitmately was curious about the topic since I do hapen to enjoy the both of them. Please pull up a thread where this exact topic has been discussed before. I'm sure people have ranted about who they prefer or which has the most talent. I'm not asking about that at all.
SondheimFan5
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/20/10
#7Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 11:12amIt's like the whole Jerry Herman/Stephen Sondheim argument. These people are professional adults. They have a professional relationship. BP and PL are enormously talented, each in their own (very unique) way.
#8Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 11:31amI think my issue with this topic is that it goes back to the idea that two women who may be "rivals" professionally cannot get along personally (at best) or are catty and mean to each other (at worst). They don't need to be best friends, but there also doesn't need to be animosity between them. Like other posters have said, they're both adults and can at least be civil to each other.
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#9Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 12:01pm
There was an incident a few years ago at the Tony Awards. Bernadette was in the ladies room applying extra rouge to her cheeks. Obviously the Star Monitor was off somewhere taking a nip of gin because into the ladies room swept Patti LuPone. (It is in both of these women's contracts that there is to be nobody in the ladies room when they sweep in).
Bernadette looked at Patti's reflection in the mirror and said: Anything you can do, I can do better.
Patti responded: I kept my promise, you keep your distance.
Bernadette said: Time heals everything but loving you.
Patti advancing to the sink said: The tigers come at night.
Suddenly the Star Monitor burst into the bathroom. She said: "For the love of Sondheim, I must ask both of you to evacuate this room immediately."
The two women were pushed aside as Angela Lansbury made a grand entrance into the powder room. "Upon Merman's death, I became the reigning Rose, and I will thank you talentless hacks to close the skivvy door on your way out."
It has been rumored that both Ms. LuPone and Ms. Peters murmured "Chav" under their breath as they exited the ladies room.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Updated On: 2/11/13 at 12:01 PM
lupone76
Featured Actor Joined: 12/9/11
#10Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 12:09pm
Ok, this thread has become one big joke I didn't intend for it to be that way, but afterall this BWW. Gothampc, your little post was quite creative I must admit. The fact is though in my humble opinion Anglea has the least talent of all and I will never understand how she got all the plum roles and recieved so much acclaim for them. But, that's just my perception.
Updated On: 2/11/13 at 12:09 PM
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#11Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 12:30pm
lupone76, it is fine for you to have an opinion on talent. However you should take note that
Angela Lansbury has won 5 Tony Awards (Patti and Bernadette have won two each, Patti has a Tony for a role that Angela won a Tony for first).
At 87 years old, Angela Lansbury has taken on the lead role in Driving Miss Daisy.
Least talented? I hardly think so.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Updated On: 2/11/13 at 12:30 PM
djb
Stand-by Joined: 5/17/06
Emma White
Featured Actor Joined: 2/11/13
#13Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 1:28pmI would not be entirely shocked if Gothampc's story is true. Seems legit.
"Nice is different than good."
brettarnett
Featured Actor Joined: 5/2/09
#14Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 1:35pmLet's just say this, I have never heard Bernadette say anything about Patti at all. But I have heard Patti Discuss how she was going to replace Bernadette in Sunday in the Park With George but negotiations, or her voice (all belt) didn't suit the score. Then how she wanted the Cinderella in Into the Woods but they wanted her for the Witch, she agreed but wanted star billing and a specific salary that couldn't be met. Then supposedly Bernadette got it all. I also heard rumblings that she wanted Annie get your gun.
#15Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 1:42pmSkivvy door? I believe it's called privy. Otherwise, amusing.
Cupid Boy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/5/13
#16Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 1:43pm^^And on top of all that, Patti wanted to replace Zeta-Jones in A Little Night Music.
#17Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 2:23pmActually I think she wanted to open the revival.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
Cupid Boy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/5/13
#18Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 4:04pmOh, really? I must've misinterpreted what she was saying when she was talking about not getting the part.
redmustang
Broadway Star Joined: 5/14/03
#19Bernadette Vs. Patti
Posted: 2/11/13 at 4:53pmThe question is: Which of these talented actresses will win Tony #3 first? And who else has 2 Tonys? Besides Murphy, Chita, Bacall, Ebersole, Liza, and Foster?
TheGingerBreadMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/7/12
