What's gonna do worse:
What's gonna do worse:
romgitsean
Broadway Star Joined: 4/7/08
#1What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 2:30pm
POTO II or Spiderman?
I can't decide.
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rmusic11322
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WiCkEDrOcKS
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
#2re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 2:37pm
Nothin' like optimism.
Updated On: 12/14/09 at 02:37 PM
#3re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 2:41pm
LOVE NEVER DIES has a good score, from what I've heard, as does SPIDERMAN.
I can think of another show opening in 2010 that definitely DOES NOT.
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WiCkEDrOcKS
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
#5re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 3:01pm
...good luck on a fabulous theatre season (with your negativity)...Happy Holidays!
Although I plan on seeing neither, I hope and wish only for a success.
#6re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 3:33pmAlthough I was initially skeptical about them, both shows have piqued my interest. I hope both will have success. Why not wait until both shows actually open before we decide that they're failures?
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winston89
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/18/06
#7re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 3:45pmI'm a little confused. I thought that a vast majority of us who post here, don't like hearing that any show is closing. It doesn't matter if we like the show or not, only because that a show closing is still a situation where actors and crew are going to be out of work.
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#8re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 4:00pm
Oh, I hate all of that puppies and rainbows bullsh*t. No show runs forever.
Anyway, to answer the question- I would assume Spiderman would do worse, being that Phantom has the built in fanbase of Phans or whatever the hell they call themselves. Spiderman just looks like a bomb to me. Phantom II is not my cup of tea and certainly sounds like a bomb, but I don't think it will be one.
rmusic11322
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/07
#9re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 4:06pmI have a feeling that if Phantom 2 does great, then ticket sales will get better for Phantom 1 and 2. I think so becuase people might want to see the 1st to get the idea of how 2 will be. It's like watching a movie. if that makes sence :)
#10re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 4:07pmPhantom can probably run for years on advance sales alone and people who just want to see the sequel, just to say they've seen it.
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#11re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 5:50pm
1) I think both of them will do extremely well
2) Why are we waiting/expecting for them to be bad? Let's be optimistic and open-minded and not wait for failure.
musicaltheater1
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/19/05
#12re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 7:16pmLove Never Dies has potential provided the book was made well. POTO has a huge following and the sequel's songs are all beautifully made, memorable and reminiscent of the POTO style.
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"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." Aldous Huxley
#13re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 7:24pm
Was there a leak or something I missed? (I.e. how do we know LND has a good score, or that the sequel's songs are >all< 'beautifully made'.)
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Updated On: 12/14/09 at 07:24 PM
winston89
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/18/06
#14re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 7:30pm
I think that the skeptics minds were put to rest when they heard that song (I believe it is called, "Till You Sing Once More) that is from Love Never Dies, and was sung in the press meeting announcing the show.
jv92, there is a difference between not realizing that no show runs forever and wishing a show that has yet to open ill will. In no way is it bull****.
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#15re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 7:32pmI sincerely hope that both shows succeed, but at this point it seems like the fates have something against Spiderman. It actually seems like both of them have great material.
#16re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 7:35pm$$$ wise, I think Spidey will do worse. From all that I've heard, it will have beaucoup bucks to recoup. I'd like to see both, just for sh*ts and giggles
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romgitsean
Broadway Star Joined: 4/7/08
#18re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 8:15pmUh, excuse me, but I've been seeing people poking fun at POTO II and Spiderman like crazy (Spiderman not so much on this board). I didn't say I didn't want them to do well, I just don't think they will. They're just not good subject material.
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#19re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 8:23pm
Excuse me, both are essentially brand new stories based on pre-existing characters so how can you say, "They're just not good subject material?"
I can think of one show that has fantastic "subject material" that created a new plot around pre-existing characters that sucks, but no one I know has heard the complete scores for either SPIDERMAN or LOVE NEVER DIES. Furthermore, no one has heard either of these scores in performance yet so even the creators themselves are unsure of how well the shows work.
People jumped down my throat for calling a certain score a bomb based on hearing it and reading the script (then seeing it and having those feelings confirmed), yet few take issue with this thread tearing down two shows based purely on their potential as box-office successes/failures. Interesting.
Bottom line: at least wait until you've heard the complete score in performance before you call a score or a show a bomb.
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Updated On: 12/14/09 at 08:23 PM
#20re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 8:29pm
I'm convinced if you put U2 in the studio and just made it a concept album it would be off the hook. The musical, however, I have no expectations for and I really am not taking glee if it becomes a mess.
Love Never Dies can work, I think. As people have written Phantom has a huge following. Comic book nerds and fans of the movies are not coming to pay for Spiderman. Nobody has learned from It's a Bird... It's a Plane... It's Superman!!!!
scaryclowns2232
Stand-by Joined: 6/18/08
#21re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 11:10pm
Spiderman and Phantom of the Opera are two of the biggest, most profitable entertainment franchises in history. Name recognition alone will draw crowds in huge numbers, at least in the beginning.
What will determine their fate is the quality-- will they be great shows that will generate good word of mouth and great customers, or bad shows whose novelty wears off?
Honestly, I think it could go either way for each.
#23re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/14/09 at 11:33pm
I need to disclose I am a major Spiderman fan who still has comic book copies a decade ago in a drawer. I have no interest of seeing it, even with direct transportation. I will try to get my hands on the OCR if there is one available. Push comes to shove and it turns out to be a marvelous spectacle... maybe. I don't even like the films that greatly.
Is Spiderman the most profitable? Yes there was major hullabaloo about Disney's acquisition of Marvel Comics but that includes The Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, X-Man, The Punisher, along with Spiderman. The films have made lots of money but so did the Batman franchise in bigger way. It is up there but I don't think it will be that big for fanboys and fangirls going to Broadway to see it. It may start off big but if Superman couldn't do it, how can this?
Phantom fans are more in their element to see a musical sequel.
BrianS
Broadway Star Joined: 10/8/07
#24re: What's gonna do worse:
Posted: 12/15/09 at 1:42am
"Oh, I hate all of that puppies and rainbows bullsh*t. No show runs forever."
It's not that. Though I do think that there is a twisted negativity that can stand out on these boards in general. It's just that almost no one on here has heard or seen remotely enough of either show (in spiderman's case... nothing) to make an informed opinion. Might as well have started a thread called "Let's pull some opinions out of our asses about shows we haven't seen."
If the audience could do better, they'd be up here on stage and I'd be out there watching them. - Ethel Merman
Updated On: 12/15/09 at 01:42 AM
