Rick Mckay's "Broadway Golden Age 2" Will it ever happen?- Page 2

Posted: 9/27/17 at 3:05pm

Sondheimite said: "I have no inside info but i somehow doubt we see this movie. He's been super sketchy."

Super DUPER sketchy. I've been a personal thorn in his side on this for a while now trying to demand accountability on behalf of his Kickstarter Backers. Instead he slanders me and says that it's my fault it hasn't been released because he's too afraid to ask people for money because I remind people that when he launched the Kickstarter almost five years (!) ago he said he was 95% shot and 85% edited. Then every single year he delays the release by another year.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/27/17 at 4:30pm

Well I mean, lets be fair. You are kind of a dick on here. 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 9/27/17 at 4:40pm

Jordan Catalano said: "Well I mean, lets be fair. You are kind of a dick on here."

 

But he is not a dick that took peoples money.  

 

[Scarywarhol]

Posted: 9/27/17 at 4:43pm

Boy, this sounds practically Davenportian!

Posted: 9/27/17 at 5:08pm

Jordan Catalano said: "Well I mean, lets be fair. You are kind of a dick on here."

I may be brash. But has anything I've said been untrue?

[GiantsInTheSky2]

Posted: 9/28/17 at 8:21am

It's weird that he's still shooting interviews with people (according to his FB page). Anyone know how long the first installment took to make? There's a new site he's been sharing where you can donate to to help to doc. This whole thing is sketchy. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/28/17 at 9:27am

Christ, some of you people are stupid. If you follow him as closely as you say you do, you'd know the delays have been issues with studios and major funding and licensing. 

 

But then again if you just accepted that sh*t happens and because of financial and legal constraints, things don't always happen at the exact moment you want them to, well then you couldn't be holier-than-thou on social media to try and make you feel like big, superior boys & girls, could you?

Posted: 9/28/17 at 1:43pm

Jordan Catalano said: "Christ, some of you people are stupid. If you follow him as closely as you say you do, you'd knowthe delays have been issues with studios and major funding and licensing.



But then again if you just accepted that sh*t happens and because of financial and legal constraints, things don't always happen at the exact moment you want them to, well then you couldn't be holier-than-thou on social media to try and make you feel like big, superior boys & girls, could you?"

He's never once told his Kickstarter Backers that there have been issues with the studios. That's new information. He should share that type of info with us. Keeping us in the loop through Kickstarter would mean a lot. But he doesn't.

This is the entirety of his "risks" section from the Kickstarter launch. Clearly this misrepresents the actual position he was in back in January of 2013 since we still don't have the movie.

 

Risks and challenges

It is always a challenge producing an independent film, especially a documentary with over 100 different legendary stars, music rights and archival footage rights.

Dealing with this much footage (over 600 hours of interview footage and over 300 hours of archival footage!) is a formidable challenge, and the fear of losing this precious footage is daunting, to say the least. Last summer our 24 TB storage system crashed and EVERYTHING was lost - yes, everything, the raw footage and our edits up to that date. It took months to do it, but we were able to re-digitize ALL of the interviews and find backups on film, tape and DVD here of all of the archival footage and photos. But, working in a digital environment, as we all are, you are always at risk. So, I back up my backups to be safe and have recovered from that crisis, and we should be safe in the future. Another challenge is that an independent film can never tell exactly what your release date will be with the studios' changing theatrical schedules, etc. But, our dates are pretty secure, barring any unforeseen surprises. And, luckily, I have pulled it off once already with the first part of the trilogy "Broadway: The Golden Age". On this new film 95% of the shooting is already wrapped and 85% of the edit is finished, so we will be ready to go into post-production soon and are already negotiating the licensing fees for the music and footage rights. So, we should be in movie theaters in the fall of 2013 and on DVD for Christmas 2013, with TV for early 2014. Thanks to your help!

The only other risk is that IF we are delayed by theater availability and the release is later, it could delay the DVD release and the shipping of advance orders of the DVD and Blu-Ray. But, I will do my best to make sure you receive your copy before anyone can buy them online or in stores. Also, there is a chance that the distributor may want to release the Blu-Ray after the DVD release, which would delay that as well, but again, I will do my best to make sure that all the generous folks who pledge here get it first!

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 9/28/17 at 6:34pm

Jordan Catalano said: "Christ, some of you people are stupid. If you follow him as closely as you say you do, you'd knowthe delays have been issues with studios and major funding and licensing.



But then again if you just accepted that sh*t happens and because of financial and legal constraints, things don't always happen at the exact moment you want them to, well then you couldn't be holier-than-thou on social media to try and make you feel like big, superior boys & girls, could you?"

What a load of baloney. "financial and legal constraints"  Should have been taken into account before accepting funds.   You yourself said a few years ago that you had already seen the finished product .  What I think happened is that after this was screened at the Palm Springs festival the year before last it got a very bad reception and he has had to go back and redo it.  But that is just what I think.  I really don't know anything except he took peoples money and all we have seen for it is endless trailers with talking heads. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/28/17 at 6:38pm

(Smokey) Lady, you crazy. 

[raddersons]

Posted: 9/28/17 at 6:40pm

^^Is it crazy to want to see the product of something you put money towards?

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/28/17 at 6:44pm

I love how people can just look past absolutely everything to only see the "facts" they want to see. 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 9/28/17 at 6:45pm

Jordan Catalano said: "I love how people can just look past absolutely everything to only see the "facts" they want to see."

I love that it is exactly what you are doing.  

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 1/22/18 at 2:45pm

raddersons said: "^^Is it crazy to want to see the product of something you put money towards?"

Exactly.  The new thread reminded me of this one.  Interesting to see how long it has been and still no film. 

Posted: 1/23/18 at 11:00am

SmokeyLady said: "raddersons said: "^^Is it crazy to want to see the product of something you put money towards?"

Exactly. The new thread reminded me of this one. Interesting to see how long it has been and still no film."

I wasn't planning to come out of retirement on this subject for another few weeks, but since SmokeyLady brought it up again I guess I have to. There's been no new announcements since May, and February 28th will mark the 5 year anniversary of it successfully being funded.

 

Somebody just asked about it this morning on the CastRecL email list where one of the producer's is a frequent contributor. There hasn't been a response yet, but I stand by my belief that it's never going to happen.

 

Rick often claims that I'm part of the problem with him finishing the film since I'm holding him publicly accountable (which per Kickstarter is a backer's responsibility). But I don't know if people would be this upset about being taken for a ride if he'd at least provide regular updates. For the past few years just about every update he's sent to his Backers has come about by my pushing him via email and reaching out to the other producers asking about the status. 

Posted: 1/23/18 at 12:43pm

I just saw he said on Facebook that there would be a "new trailer in a few months" so based on his track record of false statements and broken promises I'm guessing the new trailer will be out no earlier than September.

 

He also said the movie is now 90% finished. 5 years ago he said it was 85% edited and 95% shot (which it clearly wasn't), so the final 10% is likely to take another 5 years at least.

Updated On: 1/23/18 at 12:43 PM

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/23/18 at 1:49pm

B:BGA Backer said: "He also said the movie is now 90% finished. 5 years ago he said it was 85% edited and 95% shot (which it clearly wasn't), so the final 10% is likely to take another 5years at least."

He should just give you your $20 back.

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 1/24/18 at 11:33am

haterobics said: "B:BGA Backer said: "He also said the movie is now 90% finished. 5 years ago he said it was 85% edited and 95% shot (which it clearly wasn't), so the final 10% is likely to take another 5years at least."

He should just give you your $20 back."

He should!  I know you are being sarcastic..  but  if everyone was lied too.  Shouldn't he give people their money back?

Posted: 1/24/18 at 12:23pm

It's not about the money. It's about him obviously misrepresenting how far along he was in finishing the film when he launched the Kickstarter campaign, and the lack of regular communication to his Backers. 

[uncageg]

Posted: 1/24/18 at 1:33pm

B:BGA Backer said: "It's not about the money. It's about him obviously misrepresenting how far along he was in finishing the film when he launched the Kickstarter campaign, and the lack of regular communication to his Backers."

↑ That I agree with as far a communication, but to Jordan's point, I think it states quite clearly in the RISK AND CHALLENGES statement that studios and licensing would be a challenge. I don't work in the business but have friends who do and it seems those things can take a long time to work out.

 

[morosco]

Posted: 1/24/18 at 2:06pm

Rick McKay's silence is deafening.

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/24/18 at 2:16pm

B:BGA Backer said: "It's not about the money. It's about him obviously misrepresenting how far along he was in finishing the film when he launched the Kickstarter campaign, and the lack of regular communication to his Backers."

Lots of finished films are sitting on shelves waiting for clearance and/or distribution. Rick's timeline for finishing the film may not be the same timeline for his ability to release the film.

Posted: 1/24/18 at 2:35pm

haterobics said:

Lots of finished films are sitting on shelves waiting for clearance and/or distribution. Rick's timeline for finishing the film may not be the same timeline for his ability to release the film."

True. But he's not finished with the film. He's still filming new material even though 5 years ago he said it was 95% shot. What I want to hear from him is:

1) Why did he represent the film as being 95% shot when it clearly wasn't?

2) Why hasn't he updated his Backers on the progress of the film in over six months?

3) Why didn't he set the Kickstarter goal at a number more realistic to his needs? (He and his producers often claim that Kickstarter was only 2% of the film's budget. Why so low and why crowdfund at all in that situation?)

4) The funds raised via Kickstarter were explicitly raised for the purpose of licensing and clearances. Was the money used for that purpose at the time the Kickstarter was successfully funded or did he use it for other expenses related to the film?

5) What is his plan if he is unable to raise the additional funds he needs to finish the film? How will he compensate his Backers in this scenario in a manner consistent with the Kickstarter Terms of Service?

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 1/24/18 at 2:54pm

Looks like a dodged the bullet here.  Several years ago he contacted me to see if he could use my film prints of the original 1972 TV spot for PIPPIN and the few for 1978's DANCIN'.  My gut told me to be cautious and told him he'd have to contact the Verdon-Fosse Estate first for me to release them.  Never heard back from him. 

 

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/24/18 at 11:37pm

B:BGA Backer said: "What I want to hear from him is:"

Is he a member on here or something? Seems like you know how to contact him, and he knows (seemingly from experience) how to ignore you. So, not sure what the point of all this is...