Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
#1Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:30pm
So Ken Mandelbaum is, apparently, writing an expansion to NOT SINCE CARRIE: going from the years 1992-Now, what shows do you think should be included, and why?
To start off: the laundry list of Jukebox Musicals that went up in flames following MAMMA MIA! and MOVIN' OUT:
The Look of Love
All Shook Up
Good Vibrations
Lennon
Hot Feet
Ring of Fire
The Times They Are A-Changin'
"Y'know, I think Bertolt Brecht was rolling in his grave."
-Nellie McKay on the 2006 Broadway production of The Threepenny Opera, in which she played Polly Peachum
Updated On: 9/10/08 at 06:30 PM
-Nellie McKay on the 2006 Broadway production of The Threepenny Opera, in which she played Polly Peachum
husk_charmer
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#2re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:31pmIn my Life.
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#2re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:31pmThe Blonde and the Thunderbird
"Who says you can't bend over backwards and eat bugs if you want to? I guess the bugs would probably say you can't do that that, but assuming that they are willing and consenting bugs, then there's no problem. Let's wig out eating bugs."
-RuPaul
philly03
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/07
#3re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:34pm
I'd love to see some Wildhorn shows in there (I haven't read the first one all the way through, so not even sure if htey'd all fit).
Jekyll & HYDE (To see how it could have been that pricey to run!
The Scarlet Pimpernel (flopped not once, not twice, three times on Broadway!)
Dracula, the musical
#4re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:34pm
Pirate Queen - how could something that sounded so right end up so wrong?
Glory Day - it's a tiny pathetic joke, but I want to see "Glory Day" in official print. XD
A whole chapter on why vampire musicals are not a good idea would be nice too. :)
#5re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:34pm
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Glory Days
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I know you.
#6re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:42pm
I forgot what Mandelbaum's criteria for the first book was, I know it was a combination of economics and how long the show ran. So just focusing on the flop status, I'd like to see him talk about:
PASSION
CAROLINE, OR CHANGE
GREY GARDENS
IN MY LIFE
RAGTIME
STEEL PIER
And the bunch of revivals that have flopped like WONDERFUL TOWN, SWEET CHARITY, LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS, etc.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#7re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 6:46pm
This is an easy one!
The Best Little Whorehouse Goes Public
"My dreams, watching me said, one to the other...this life has let us down."
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#8re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 7:44pmDance of the Vampires
tourboi
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/15/05
#9re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 7:53pm
The stories behind DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES could fill a novel in themselves! That said, I'd love to have that included.
Also LESTAT, and MAMBO KINGS.
TheBoyDownstairs
Featured Actor Joined: 10/10/07
#10re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 7:58pmNick & Nora
Parks
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/5/04
#11re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:00pmWhat is considered a flop? A show that just never recoups? Aren't there shows that can run for a long time, but never recoup? Did DRS recoup?
"If it walks like a Parks, if it wobbles like a Parks, then it's definitely fat and nobody loves it." --MA
philly03
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/07
#12re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:06pmJekyll & HYDE could possibly be the longest running flop (not sure though, but it has to be top 3). The show ran for 3 years and lost reportedly $1/1.5 million (of Wildhorn's $20 Mil debt from his original 3 shows!)
#13re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:06pmMandelbaum defined a "flop" (in the interest of his book) as a show that ran equal to/less than 250 performances, had no national tour, and is not performed afterwards with any sort of regularity: there are simply too many shows out there that ran, but lost money, to make the definition too much broader than that.
"Y'know, I think Bertolt Brecht was rolling in his grave."
-Nellie McKay on the 2006 Broadway production of The Threepenny Opera, in which she played Polly Peachum
Updated On: 9/10/08 at 08:06 PM
-Nellie McKay on the 2006 Broadway production of The Threepenny Opera, in which she played Polly Peachum
#14re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:12pm
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This title makes me think that someone should make a musical out of the movie, CARRIE 2! That would be BRIIIIIIILLIANT
#15re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/10/08 at 8:48pmLook of Love was at Roundabout, a regional theatre, and therefore is not considered a flop.
#16re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 12:14am
He also didn't include revues or "non-book" shows such as "Working" or "Is There Life After High School", or songbook revues such as "Perfectly Frank" (so "Look of Love" will most likely not get covered in this one) or shows that were successful in London and bombed here such as "Chess"
If he sticks to the less than 250 performances rule, "Passion" ran too long to be included.
I hopes that he goes back to some of the shows he discussed in the last book, but got cut from the final version for space reasons and includes them in this one.
I would love to read about "Maggie" and "Gottu Go Disco" and "The Nervous Set" (I recently fell in love with the song "Ballad of the Sad Young Men" and want to know more about the show that it's from) and "Cool Off" and "Kicks and Co" (which closed out of town after only three performances and starred Burgess Meredith and was directed by Lorraine "Raisin in the Sun" Hansberry).
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#17re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 12:26amWill he be able to cover shows he couldn't see once he was no longer allowed in theaters?
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commasplice
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/29/04
#18re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 2:22am
Parks - in the strictest sense of the word, a flop is a show that doesn't recoup, but like Bustopher said, Ken Mandelbaum whittles down that list further using his own, more specific criteria. And DRS did not recoup.
Namo - LOL.
Mattbrain
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/23/05
#19re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 7:32am
Vampire musicals
The Civil War
Cry Baby
That's all I can think of.
But I want Not Since Carrie 1 back in print if this is goin' down.
Butters, go buy World of Warcraft, install it on your computer, and join the online sensation before we all murder you.
--Cartman: South Park
ATTENTION FANS: I will be played by James Barbour in the upcoming musical, "BroadwayWorld: The Musical."
commasplice
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/29/04
#20re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 9:56amMattbrain, Not Since Carrie is still in print, according to Bowker's Books in Print [booksinprint.com] (and they are pretty much as up-to-date as it gets when it comes to books).
#21re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 6:10pm
Is it just me, or do I remember Best Little Whorehouse Goes Public and Nick & Nora in Not Since Carrie? I'll have to check my copy when I get home.
Personally, I would love to hear more about:
The Wild Party
Chronicle of a Death Foretold
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
Mr Roxy
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
#22re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 6:21pm
DOTV
Dracula
BLWGP
Nick & Nora
Annie 2
Poster Emeritus
Mattbrain
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/23/05
#23re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 7:27pm
Sonovagun, it is!
Mr. Roxy, what's BLWGP?
Butters, go buy World of Warcraft, install it on your computer, and join the online sensation before we all murder you.
--Cartman: South Park
ATTENTION FANS: I will be played by James Barbour in the upcoming musical, "BroadwayWorld: The Musical."
wiggum2
Broadway Star Joined: 9/21/03
#24re: Not Since Carrie 2: What Shows Would You Want Included?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 8:14pmI'm pretty sure Annie 2 is in the first book
