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explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#1
Posted: 12/6/07 at 11:03pm
 explanation of URSULA'S dress...?

so my genius boyfriend just pointed out that Sherie's costume was probably inspired by the vampire squid, an animal that has spikey tentacles unlike the usual suction cups.....after looking at some pics of this scary animal, I'm convinced Tatiana used this as her basis for the tentacles. Just thought I'd share cause this made me like her costume SO much more!!!



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Posted: 12/6/07 at 11:07pm
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#3
Posted: 12/6/07 at 11:17pm
....ewww.

And awesome.
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#4
Posted: 12/6/07 at 11:23pm
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/39007/vampire_octopus/

I just found that super cool link all by myself. Look at it, it's totally Ursula!!!
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#5
Posted: 12/6/07 at 11:29pm
Yes the vampire squid is truly and amazing creature (one of my all time favourite squid), however it would seem odd that a costume designer would get their inspiration from this creature (not to mention its a squid not an octopus), but yes the tentacles do remind me of ursula's costume.... too bad its not quite as cool as mother nature designed it.
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#6
Posted: 12/7/07 at 4:44pm
Aaactually, Ursula is a squid, haha. 6 tentacles.

I can see how you'd think Tatiana got her inspiration from here, but Ursula twice mentions her suction cups. So either they're being inaccurate or she's just not based off this particular squid. Ha, I look far too deeply into things!
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#7
Posted: 12/7/07 at 4:51pm
I love when Sherie raises the skirt and all the tentacles are raised around her.

Regardless of all those who hate the costume -- I don't think it could have been improved upon. It looks spectacular and Sherie works it like one amazing prop.

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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#8
Posted: 12/7/07 at 4:52pm
Great, so we've figured out where the inspiration may have from. It's still freakin' ugly. re:  explanation of URSULA'S dress...?
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#9
Posted: 12/7/07 at 5:31pm
"Aaactually, Ursula is a squid, haha. 6 tentacles."


squid typically have 10 tentacles NOT 6...

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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#10
Posted: 12/7/07 at 5:37pm
Pat Carrol even states on The Little Mermaid DVD that Ursula is indeed..a squid. Not an octopus..so that makes sense.
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#11
Posted: 12/7/07 at 5:46pm
well it doesn't make sense according to fact... however if Pat Carrol states that, who am I to defy it? I always assumed she was an octopus because she really doesn't have the general shape or appearance of a squid, however according to general cepholopod anatomy she is neither squid nor octopus...


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To me, Ursula (in the movie) resembles the latter more than the former.






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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#12
Posted: 12/7/07 at 6:02pm
I agree. I've always thought of Ursula as an octopus. The reality is that both octopus and squid have eight "arms". But, squid have two "tentacles" in addition to their eight "arms".

So, if she's a squid, the dress should have eight arms and Sherie's arms would be the tentacles, which are used by the squid to shoot out and grab things. Though the dress/costume fits the look of an octopus, not a squid. A squid does not flare out its arms like Sherie does when she works her dress, an octopus would.
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#13
Posted: 12/7/07 at 6:55pm
I think people are thinking way to deeply about this. XD It's just a costume that happens to resemble a vampire squid that may have been the *inspiration* for the costume, not an exact replica.

If you want to get technical, she could be BOTH (in the Broadway show anyway). She goes from being a squid at one point, to being an octopus at another; two examples are that she is an octopus during I Want the Good Times Back (with eight arms) and a squid in Poor Unfortunate Souls (with eight arms, two tentacles). Now, you did say that a squid wouldn't behave like that, but look at the vampire squid- it flared out it's arms to form a protective coat around itself.

Honestly though, it's debatable (not that it should be debated, being only a costume), and I doubt there will ever be a *right* answer.
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#14
Posted: 12/7/07 at 9:04pm
For some reason I am voting for a Vampire Squid outfit verses the new Ursula look. Sorry, it could be more stunning and a whole lot more convincing if it was better designed.

I can hardly see the resemblance. Way too many ruffles for even a Vampire Squid. That look though would have been awesome if done right. Too bad. Still an ugly pinata, bad plant eating sculpture to me.

Of course the "designer" has the right answer. Unfortunately I cannot appreciate her work on this costume at least.
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#15
Posted: 12/7/07 at 10:28pm
Yes, artscallion is right on the money!

It's really impossible to say which she is because the fact of the matter is neither have 6...
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#16
Posted: 12/7/07 at 10:40pm
i'd like to think that it's a combo of diff. things, after all, she's definately part human....I just like the fact that the designer chose spiky tentacles as they look more threatening to me than round suction cups:)
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#17
Posted: 12/8/07 at 11:48am
How many tentacles does Ursula have in the show? Do Sherie's arms count as tenctacles, or are her arms just...arms?
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#18
Posted: 12/8/07 at 12:50pm
Well, her *costume* has eight arms at one point and six arms at one point. Not sure about the tentacle part, as there is no way to tell.
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#19
Posted: 12/8/07 at 3:41pm
At what points do her number of tentacles change?
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#20
Posted: 12/8/07 at 3:59pm
"I Want the Good Times Back" - 6 tentacles hanging off the main part of the costume

"Poor Unfortunate Souls" - 8 tentacle dress
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#21
Posted: 12/8/07 at 5:06pm
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I thought even thought the site caption for this (^) says "Good Times Back", I thought it was from "Unfortunate Souls".
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re: explanation of URSULA'S dress...?#22
Posted: 12/8/07 at 5:11pm
On the TLM dvd, Pat Caroll jokingly explains that in the movie Ursula only has six tentacles because it was cheaper to animate. She calls Ursula a squid.