Went to a screening of "Les Miserables" film.....- Page 3

[Johnnycantdecide]

Posted: 12/3/12 at 12:59pm

My Oh My, have you seen the film?

[Johnnycantdecide]

Posted: 12/3/12 at 12:59pm

My Oh My, have you seen the film?

[theaternut]

Posted: 12/3/12 at 1:02pm

Reduced.. Condensed... LORD PEOPLE! I actually DID see the film. Nips and tucks. But all that pretty much happened is they placed "On My Own" before the 1st act finale ( One day more).

[Auggie27]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 9:07am

Quibbles I've had, dating back to C&W star Gary Morris taking over (successfully) on B'way for Jean Val Jean: I'm jarred by this obsessive use of high-falutin' British accents, the "Fahhhnteen" pronunciation lands with arch and affected precision, especially with an American actress.

"Yes it's true there's a child and the child is my daawwwtuh..." I'm slightly taken out of the moment, realizing that Hathaway is not only singing live, but singing live as a Brit, whilst playing a French woman.

Updated On: 12/4/12 at 09:07 AM

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 10:29am

^ Eh...I only find it slightly jarring...and a little hysterical that costume epic = Brit-speak. It's certainly less awful than that Tom Cruise Nazi-paloza film.

But let's talk Gary Morris. Wasn't he just MAGNIFICENT? He was the first Valjean I encountered, and I was stunned by the how high-flying his vocals were. And they sounded more effortless than Wilkinson.

[Miranda3]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 11:24am

Jacqui Dankworth, Cleo Laine's daughter, also a singer, is in the film in a small role. Someone on the board posted earlier that she is listed in the cast as a "Crone". Maybe she is one of the whores. Did anyone who has seen a screening notice her?

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 11:40am

The choice of accent for Hathaway and Seyfried in Les Mis is easily legitimized by the logical effort to harmonize an international cast into one national dialectical system (with variations of class and character, of course).

Similarly, the choice of England's for the national dialectical system is easily legitimized by the fact that England is an English-speaking country and the musical is, after all, in English.

Doubtless, no one would have preferred Jackman and Crowe to play it Australian, Hathaway and Seyfried American, Barks Manx, Redmayne Etonian, Baron Cohen Hammersmithian, and Helena - to put too fine a Shavian point on it - of posh Mayfair origins with Miramaxian and Belair influences and that sublime continental grace bequeathed her from her Spanish half-Sephardic diplomat grandfather.

Of course not. Although it certainly would have been preferable to them all affecting French accents.

Of course, Auggie, it is a different - though related - question when the -a- is jarringly overdone.







Updated On: 12/4/12 at 11:40 AM

[jimmycurry01]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 11:57am

Why would it be preferable for them to have french accents? Simply because it takes place in France? Then why not just have everyone speak french?
The main reason everyone in this film has a British accent is because it is a British film and uses a primarily British cast. Because of this we get the British accent and British and the dialects which signify various social standings. If this were an American made film, this would perhaps be different.
The other reason for the British accent is that, in film, the accent tends to stand in for a European accent in general. That isn't always appropriate, but it happens a lot.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 12:41pm

I'm very clear that it stands it for "European," (French would be laughable) and that the British production was the first and thus the standard for pronunciation. It's just more jarring to me on the screen. With two ingenues American, forced to sound "European," we do notice it. I am quibbling; I'm sure I'll get over it several minutes in.

For what it's worth, I saw the original production, about 3 weeks in, at the Barbicon yet, and before it was this big beloved show, it was actually perceived to be almost intimate. Yes, we had the barricades. But the show felt like the story was in our laps in the original house.

But Gary Morris was wonderful. I'd seen him the BOHEME with Rondstadt at the Public (his alternate was the late great David Carroll), and he was a legitimate heartthrob in that. Everyone expected that to move, but the critics were snippy, and Rondstadt had a helluva time (my friend in the show said she complained that it "hurt" to sing; heaven knows what it would've done if she went on for many months), though she sang half of the 8 (Patti Cohenhour was her alternate.)

Updated On: 12/4/12 at 12:41 PM

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 12:51pm

Jimmy, perhaps you are not talking to me, but I wasn't suggesting that it would be preferable if they all affected French accents. I was saying the diametrical opposite; that just about anything would be preferable to that.

Auggie, I actually had a similar issue with Thurman and Danes performing in British accents as Fantine and Cosette, until I realized that they were doing so to harmonize their accents with Neeson, Rush and the rest of the cast, as Jimmy suggests. Still, that doesn't change the fact that it is somewhat odd to watch American actors sounding British for this reason alone when they are not playing British characters.

International casts in works like these are tricky.

Case in point: some find the film version of The Lion in Winter, in which the characters are both English and French, and the actors English and, in one instance, American, very odd because the English actors speak with English accents, Hopkins perhaps sounds more Welsh than he has ever done on screen, even Merrow and Dalton, playing French royals, sound English, and - unlike in Les Mis - Hepburn's dialect is her own even though she is playing Eleanor of Aquitaine; she made no effort to harmonize it with the rest of the cast. Then again, this is a play in which most of the principles are from one country and three are from another. The movie is in English, more than half the characters are English; it is set in France at a time when not only the French royal family but also the English royal family spoke French, most of them probably with somewhat altered 12th Century Norman accents.... and no one really knows what that would sound like anyway. I doubt there has ever been a production of Lion, with the exceptions of those done in France, where anyone has played any role with a French accent.

Updated On: 12/4/12 at 12:51 PM

[Jon]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 1:01pm

I'd like to hear Hamlet and A Little Night Music with Scandanavian accents.

How about Romeo and Juliet with Italian accents?

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 1:11pm

Twelfth Night with Illyrian accents might be fun.

[newintown]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 1:17pm

Sunday In The Park With George with French accents; A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum with authentic 200BC Italian accents. Fiddler On The Roof with Russian accents.

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 1:20pm

Only the Russian characters in Fiddler would have Russian accents, the Jews would have Yiddish accents.

Actually, many of the Jewish characters in Fiddler are typically played with Yiddish accents (whether the production is in English, Spanish, Hebrew or Japanese - I doubt Fiddler has ever actually been done in Yiddish), so perhaps it's not the best example.

Updated On: 12/4/12 at 01:20 PM

[newintown]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 1:28pm

Is a German/Yiddish accent the same as a Russian/Yiddish accent?

Updated On: 12/4/12 at 01:28 PM

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 1:35pm

Yiddish accents varied as did colloquial expressions used by Yiddish speakers in the diaspora. But a Russian Yiddish accent was far closer to a German Yiddish accent than to a Russian Russian accent; not to mention that Fiddler likely takes place not in Russia Proper but in some other part of the Empire - Ukraine? Belarus? - where even the Gentiles may not have generally spoke Russian. Most Jews in the shtetl, like my grandmother, spoke little if any Russian (or, for that matter, Ukrainian, etc.). In contrast, at the time Fiddler is set, the great majority of German Jews primarily spoke German (and many did not speak Yiddish at all), and quite often with accents indistinguishable from the population at large.









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[madbrian]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 1:46pm

Ich bin ein Anatevkan!

[jimmycurry01]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 2:06pm

henrikegerman, I must have misread your post.

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 2:34pm

No worries, Jimmy, Perhaps when you read my "Although it [describing everyone using their own accent] certainly would have been preferable to them all affecting French accents," you mistook my "to" for a "for".

[Someone in a Tree2]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 4:06pm

Nice to know henrik's shtetl roots (that bely his Swedish wanna-be avatar...)

Back to Les Miz, having seen a screening, I've gotta say the pseudo-French accent Sacha Baron Cohen employs when speaking (though not while singing) is really an atrocious choice. God knows what possessed him and Hooper to accept such an accent when not another character onscreen goes there. Maybe it was an inheritance from his role in Hugo the year before...

Speaking of SBC and shtetl roots, was anyone else horrified to hear the mangled Hebrew that he employed in BORAT whenever he was supposed to be speaking Kazakhstani? Oh horrors...

[jpbran]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 4:50pm

Sounds like when Travolta was the only cast member in "Hairspray" to attempt a Baltimore accent... and a BROAD one at that.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 5:55pm

It drives me nuts how only Marguerite has a French accent in The Scarlet Pimpernel.

[The8re phan]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 6:21pm

question for those who have seen it-----

how was the music and orchestrations? Similar 'oomph' as the stage musical, or changed/softened/toned down to accomodate the 'non-tradional' singing style?

[DAME]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 7:05pm

I did not feel cheated on the "oomph" .

One thing I might add. I am very happy I got to see this in a fantastic movie theater. It matters.

Updated On: 12/4/12 at 07:05 PM

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 12/4/12 at 7:36pm

Someoneinatree, I could be part Swedish and still have Jewish roots. As it happens I'm not, but given your similarly international Sondheim avatar, I have to ask, are you Japanese?

I have the same concerns you do about SBC's faux-French spree in Master of the House - sounds like a very strange choice.