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Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Jaxson2
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/21
#100Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 8:16am
Playbill wrote, ink part: "Is the implication that the detail should be already understood and go without saying? I just think the lack of explanation and focus is why people react to things like cancel culture and boycotting with such confusion."
That is precisely what politicians do, especially the orange con who previously infested the WH. Most folks are not informed, usually from apathy. So cons or self-interested can spin what they want and the ill informed will fall for it.
#101Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 8:38am
Playbill_Trash said: "Ok, for some reason Hogan didn’t take me up on my offer to join my ticket and run for office.
Ctorres23, JayElle, you want in on this action? I call dibs on veep."
What office? Don't have time to scour thread.
#102Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 10:00am
Andre Jordan here with more info on how Diana will be making a better workplace. They’re bringing in an HR department, which is very welcome news!!
In our millions, in our billions, we are most powerful when we stand together. TW4C unwaveringly joins the worldwide masses, for we know our liberation is inseparably bound.
Signed,
Theater Workers for a Ceasefire
https://theaterworkersforaceasefire.com/statement
#103Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 10:05am
I’m wondering if any Disney on Broadway actors will eventually comment on this.
In our millions, in our billions, we are most powerful when we stand together. TW4C unwaveringly joins the worldwide masses, for we know our liberation is inseparably bound.
Signed,
Theater Workers for a Ceasefire
https://theaterworkersforaceasefire.com/statement
Fosse76
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/05
#104Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 11:56am
Jaxson2 said: "Fosse76 said: "Jaxson2 said: "When show latecomers arrive & must remainin the lobby, what worker stays with them? Not the ushers."
Incorrect. It's the ticket takers (who are members of local 306, the ushers union) who remain in the lobby, and in many cases third-party security is also present. They deal with latecomers."
Fossee, have you witnessed it? In Rudin's shows where he was firm on no late entry, once doors closed, audio is sent to lobby to await latecomers who were given headsetsupon request.Once they were okayed to go in, then the usher took them. But audio stayed in lobby with latecomers. Latecomers were also given choice to see show again. So audio had to stay there to get headsets back in case patron decided to leave."
Yes. But that doesn't change what I wrote. That was a unique circumstance, didn't apply at all of Rudin's shows, and security and ticket takers were still ultimately responsible for handling latecomers.
#105Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 12:27pm
Fosse76 said: "Yes. But that doesn't change what I wrote. That was a unique circumstance, didn't apply at all of Rudin's shows, and security and ticket takers were still ultimately responsible for handling latecomers."
Of course it doesn't change anything, and of course the fact remains that this "full of sound and fury and signifying nothing" about these workers is, in essence, dancing on the head of a pin. We are talking about a tiny fraction of the people working in a Broadway house, front and back. Could there be an organization campaign? Yes. Would there be? Not likely for any number of reasons. Why has so much bandwidth been devoted to something so inconsequential when there are actual issues people could worthily address?
Fosse76
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/05
#106Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 12:43pm
HogansHero said: "We are talking about a tiny fraction of the people working in a Broadway house, front and back. Could there be an organization campaign? Yes. Would there be? Not likely for any number of reasons. Why has so much bandwidth been devoted to something so inconsequential when there are actual issues people could worthily address?"
Exactly. Even if they organized under a single union, they all work for different companies in their respective fields (i.e., there's more than one company in each of those jobs providing services), which makes it harder, and could likely just shut those companies out of future contracts if they all aren't unionized. Not only that, it would have nothing to do with the Broadway League anyway, since these companies are third-party contractors and it wouldn't have any effect on the behaviors by producers or house management.
#107Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 1:19pm
Call_me_jorge said: "I’m wondering if any Disney on Broadway actors will eventually comment on this."
They didn’t when it was published and Disney has so much $$ to bury anyone
#108Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 6:08pm
Call_me_jorge said: "Andre Jordan here with more info on how Diana will be making a better workplace. They’re bringing in an HR department, which is very welcome news!!"
Interesting. Also seen this week, Moulin Rouge! is hiring a DEI executive
#109Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 7:44pm
Call_me_jorge said: "Andre Jordan here with more info on how Diana will be making a better workplace. They’re bringing in an HR department, which is very welcome news!!"
I'm curious to know what "the disconnection of our production from William Ivey Long" means, exactly. Are they still using his designs, or have they brought in a new costume designer? If it's the former, I don't really understand how this makes much of a difference? I'm not terribly well versed in the world of costume design, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that, once the costumes are designed and constructed, the bulk of the designer's work is complete. I'm not sure how involved they continue to be when it comes to the construction of costumes for replacements, etc.
Since it seems to me that Ivey Long's work on Diana is largely done, I'm not sure how they'd be able to "disconnect" from him in any meaningful way without scrapping his designs altogether. The costumes are designed. They're constructed. They were used in the Netflix filming, and I imagine they'll be used when the show reopens. So what's left for the production to do to distance themselves from him? Not invite him to the opening night party?
#110Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/15/21 at 8:00pm
I’m not too sure, but I’m pretty sure costume designers are still working post opening. Especially when replacement casts come along they have to be there for fittings and what not.
A total guess, but I believe Diana will continue to use his designs but will ask him to take a step back for comes to situations like the one I mentioned.
In our millions, in our billions, we are most powerful when we stand together. TW4C unwaveringly joins the worldwide masses, for we know our liberation is inseparably bound.
Signed,
Theater Workers for a Ceasefire
https://theaterworkersforaceasefire.com/statement
#111Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/16/21 at 12:41am
Call_me_jorge said: "I’m not too sure, but I’m pretty sure costume designers are still working post opening. Especially when replacement casts come along they have to be there for fittings and what not.
A total guess, but I believe Diana will continue to use his designs but will ask him to take a step back for comes to situations like the one I mentioned."
He’ll just move onto his next show
Dolly80
Broadway Star Joined: 5/15/11
#112Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/16/21 at 7:51amThe only way they can ‘disconnect’ from him is to throw his costumes away and bring In a new designer fast. That could cost an awful lot of money to do at this stage.
Jaxson2
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/21
#113Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/16/21 at 10:51pm
Fosse76 said: Even if they organized under a single union, they all work for different companies in their respective fields (i.e., there's more than one company in each of those jobs providing services), which makes it harder, and could likely just shut those companies out of future contracts if they all aren't unionized.
United Auto Workers, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Communications Workers of America, etc. all work for different companies but have a single union. Each business has to respect the union contract. So, Broadway workers could, in fact, be one union.
Fosse76 said: "Not only that, it would have nothing to do with the Broadway League anyway, since these companies are third-party contractors and it wouldn't have any effect on the behaviors by producers or house management."
Why would you think that? All companies working in the theater have a contract with the production company and/or theater. Government provided services may not, e.g., post office, garbage. The Broadway League is not the production company, but its members are.
Jaxson2
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/21
#114Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/16/21 at 11:27pm
Hogan wrote, in part: "We are talking about a tiny fraction of the people working in a Broadway house, front and back. Could there be an organization campaign? Yes. Would there be? Not likely for any number of reasons. Why has so much bandwidth been devoted to something so inconsequential when there are actual issues people could worthily address? "
Amazing that you condemned theater workers to being "inconsequential when there are actual issues people could worthily address." What are those issues that you consider "worthily addressed?" Why do you think the numbers of workers are inconsequential?
You are likely unaware that schools became integrated because one black female sued that she was refused entry to an all white school resulting in the landmark Supreme Court ruling: Brown v Bd of Education that permanently integrated all schools nationwide? Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus. That one woman led to the demise of segregated seating on buses. Challenges to gay discrimination led to their ability to marry. One initial accusation brought down Kevin Spacey.
The point is: It doesn't take large numbers to make historical changes. It didn't take large numbers to bring Mr. Rude to his knees. It took one journalist to get willing workers to share their experience. By your analysis, these speakers represent a small number relative to Rudin's theatrical and film career. But their few voices spoke loudly.
What does result in the change of an injustice is when one or several say: Enough. Your reducing theater workers to being "inconsequential" because of their numbers could have also been said about POC and gay actors at a point in the past.
You pontificate in many threads, but I noticed it's never in those that address shows you've seen, advice sought over access to tickets, comments on performances, etc. It seems your focus is always on the periphery. There were disputes over the alleged "racism" at Great Comet about which you were so certain. I asked if you ever saw the show. No reply. Could it be you really don't go to and support the shows about which you offer such critical commentary?
You also dismiss posters with insulting labels. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it might be helpful if the opinion had some credibility in its foundation. Peace.
#115Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/16/21 at 11:49pm
Jaxson2 said: "United Auto Workers, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Communications Workers of America, etc. all work for different companies but have a single union. Each business has to respect the union contract. So, Broadway workers could, in fact, be one union.
Why would you think that? All companies working in the theater have a contract with the production company and/or theater. Government provided services may not, e.g., post office, garbage. The Broadway League is not the production company, but its members are."
Jaxson, I'm sorry but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of labor relations both on Broadway and in general.
First of all, the various unions you mention represent different trades or crafts, and employees in those categories collectively bargain with the employers by whom they are employed. Having one union that represents employees at multiple companies is the essence of collective bargaining. But many/most employers have many unions with which they negotiate contracts. It's no different on Broadway. You seem to think that all employees of, e.g., Ford Motor Company, are in the same union. That's very wrong. Same on Broadway. Actors are not stage hands, box office treasurers are not wardrobe people, etc. There are a number of union locals under IATSE, but there are also many that are not. What are you talking about?
Secondly, I have no idea what "All companies working in the theater have a contract with the production company and/or theater" is supposed to mean or has to do with what we are talking about. The League's members include producers and landlords. Production companies (except for institutional ones which is a different matter) are not members of the League. The League is the exclusive bargaining agent for the landlords and producers that are its members. This has nothing to do with the companies that productions engage to sell stuff and the like. I'm afraid you are quite confused.
I suggested once before that if you truly wanted to learn about this business you would ask questions rather than posting incorrect information and wait for someone like me (and Fosse, among others) to correct your errors. I still suggest that. 
Jaxson2
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/21
#117Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/19/21 at 9:50pm
HogansHero said: "Jaxson2 said: "United Auto Workers, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Communications Workers of America, etc. all work for different companies but have a single union. Each business has to respect the union contract. So, Broadway workers could, in fact, be one union.
Why would you think that? All companies working in the theater have a contract with the production company and/or theater. Government provided services may not, e.g., post office, garbage. The Broadway League is not the production company, but its members are."
Jaxson, I'm sorry but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of labor relations both on Broadway and in general.
I suggested once before that if you truly wanted to learn about this business you would ask questions rather than posting incorrect information and wait for someone like me (
Once again you make unfounded and false accusations about my statements and knowledge.. I won't respond to anything from you any longer. How come you never discuss the shows you saw over the years? Likely don't attend. You just like to pontificate nonsense. Have a nice day.
#118Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/19/21 at 10:25pm
@Jaxson you say you won't respond which is of course fine and your choice but then you ask a question so I will respond to that.
You have been here for two weeks, a period during which there have been no shows of significance, as I assume you are aware. If you care to look back, you will quickly discover that I have discussed a multitude of shows over the years. Why don't I discuss shows I saw over the years? I have many times but the truth is I am not really interested in rehashing the past. To me, theatre is a living art form and I much prefer to discuss shows that are happening presently (when we have that luxury). FYI before the shutdown of theatre, I saw roughly 150 shows a year for at least the previous 15-20 years including virtually all Broadway shows.
#119Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/19/21 at 11:53pm
Jaxson2 said: "HogansHero said: "Jaxson2 said: "United Auto Workers, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Communications Workers of America, etc. all work for different companies but have a single union. Each business has to respect the union contract. So, Broadway workers could, in fact, be one union.
Why would you think that? All companies working in the theater have a contract with the production company and/or theater. Government provided services may not, e.g., post office, garbage. The Broadway League is not the production company, but its members are."
Jaxson, I'm sorry but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of labor relations both on Broadway and in general.
I suggested once before that if you truly wanted to learn about this business you would ask questions rather than posting incorrect information and wait for someone like me (
Once again you make unfounded and falseaccusations about my statements and knowledge.. I won't respond to anything from you any longer. How come you never discuss the shows you saw over the years? Likely don't attend. You just like to pontificate nonsense. Have a niceday.
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You go girl! You’re right, he pontificates nonsense over and over and over again. Hogan’s a troll and a bully.
Jaxson2
Chorus Member Joined: 5/6/21
#120Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/20/21 at 5:29am
unclevictor said: "You go girl! You’re right, he pontificates nonsense over and over and over again. Hogan’s a troll and a bully."
I find it interesting that for all his endless, false, and abusive commentary, Hogan never discusses the shows he has seen or plans to see upon re-opening, even when asked. Guess he doesn't put his money and support of theater where his mouth is.
I also wondered why he uses the pic and name of a known sex-addicted actor allegedly bludgeoned to death by his gay lover. Not very uplifting.
#121Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/20/21 at 9:17am
Jaxson2 said: "unclevictor said: "You go girl! You’re right, he pontificates nonsense over and over and over again. Hogan’s a troll and a bully."
I find it interesting thatfor all his endless, false, and abusivecommentary, Hogannever discusses the shows he has seen or plans to see upon re-opening,even whenasked. Guesshe doesn't put his money and support of theater where hismouth is.
I also wondered why heuses the pic and nameof a known sex-addicted actor allegedly bludgeoned to death by his gay lover. Not very uplifting.
a sex addicted actor allegedly bludgeoned to death by his gay lover? WOW! Not a good look, hogan.
#122Reopen post-Rudin Worker Improvements
Posted: 5/20/21 at 11:50am
Jaxson2 said: "Hogan never discusses the shows he has seen or plans to see upon re-opening,even when asked. Guess he doesn't put his money and support of theater where his mouth is.
I went to the trouble to address your like statement in another post but I guess you did not read it. Once again, since you have only been here a few days, you apparently have not gone to the trouble of seeing what has been posted here over the last ten years before running to laughable conclusions. Once again, I encourage you to learn before you speak. (It's less embarrassing.)
I also wondered why heuses the pic and nameof a known sex-addicted actor allegedly bludgeoned to death by his gay lover. Not very uplifting.
This has also been explained in the past, but you did not go to the trouble of educating yourself on it. When you speak here from ignorance, you risk two things: saying something that is manifestly foolish, and (perhaps even worse) being tedious.
