Is aspergers the same as retardation?

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Is aspergers the same as retardation?#1
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:13pm
I recieved this two days ago

All right Andy, I'll prove to you that you are indeed retarded, although I believe you won't understand what I'm going to say because you are, well, retarded.

At Thesaurus.com, synonyms for retardation include: amentia, brain damage, dementia, mental defect, mental deficiency, subnormality.

Now, you have Asperger Syndrome, commonly refered to as AS. From that article on wikipedia, they say that

"Abnormal migration of embryonic cells during fetal development may affect the final structure and connectivity of the brain, resulting in alterations in the neural circuits that control thought and behavior."

Now, let me dumb it down for you.

From the wikipedia site: Abnormal [...] alterations [...] that control thought and behavior.

This is AS.

My list of synonyms for retardation includes "Mental Defect"

A synonym for defect is abnormal. You are, in the very definition of the word, a retard.


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He's a faker, and you've been taken in by his con. And in doing so, you are enabling him. He is doing more damage to aspergers than papa's words ever could. -Chane/Liverpool on me having asperger syndrome.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#2
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:15pm
Ah, Wikipedia. The great source of authority. Selectively edited Wikipedia? Even better!
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#2
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:16pm
One should not use the thesaurus or Wikipedia for medical explanations! I believe Asperger's is a form of autism, not a form of retardation.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#3
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:16pm
I feel this guy is a moron.
He's a faker, and you've been taken in by his con. And in doing so, you are enabling him. He is doing more damage to aspergers than papa's words ever could. -Chane/Liverpool on me having asperger syndrome.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#4
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:18pm
it's on the spectrum of autism.
one of the diagnostic criteria is that the person's IQ is over 70.
it's not the same as mental retardation.
mental retardation is measured by IQ.
autistic disorders are diagnosed based on symptoms.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#5
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:21pm
It's possible for people who have Asperger's to have mental retardation, but having Asperger's does not mean you have mental retardation. He's just someone who feels threatened by you and needs to invent ways to try to make himself seem better than you to restore his self-esteem. Sorry you have to deal with this idiot.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#6
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:24pm
It's possible for people who have Asperger's to have mental retardation

no, it isn't.

mental retardation is when someone's IQ is under 70.
for a diagnosis of aspergers, the person's IQ has to be OVER 70.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#7
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:33pm
Abba, I am probably wrong based on current diagnosis of mental retardation. You have much more experience than I do. I was going by a memory I had of working with a child with Autism, but the human memory is a funny thing. I'll be sure to double check.

I do highly disagree with the current way of testing for intelligence. I follow an adapted theory of multiple intelligences. Someone could argue that on the basis of multiple intelligences much of society could be considered mentally retarded in specific intelligences. It was on that basis that I considered someone with Autism could have it, but then again that is not the way testing is done.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#8
Posted: 3/14/08 at 11:37pm
Wow. Asperger's is a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, whereas Mental Retardation is a different sort altogether.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#9
Posted: 3/15/08 at 12:27am
John Elder Robinson's book - Look Me In The Eye: My Life With Aspergers, is a great book if you are looking to read into it a little more.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#10
Posted: 3/15/08 at 12:38am
It's not about Asperger's specifically, but "Autism is a World" is a great documentary as well if you are interested in learning more about Autism Spectrum Disorders.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#11
Posted: 3/15/08 at 12:41am
"mozart and the whale"

i hated it but everyone in this aspie group i went to loved it.

edit: refering to the book... i have not seen the movie and have no desire to.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#12
Posted: 3/15/08 at 1:00am
My father works in the world of learning differences and things of this nature. I too find it very interesting as well. Aspergers is on what is called the autism spectrum. People with Aspergers can be very intelligent. For example, I know someone who has aspergers who is AMAZING at math.

My dad opened up his own practice where he does educational evaluations that were created by someone name Dr. Mel Levine. My dad worked for Levine's non profit in NYC and ran the evaluation branch of his organization. Then when they shut down the evaluation clinic my dad too his work and opened up his own office.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#13
Posted: 3/15/08 at 2:15am
The Commonwealth of Virginia just voted to eradicate the words mental retardation from any printed document. The term will be replaced by the more appropriate intellectual disability.

And, as everyone else has said, Aspergers has nothing to do with intellectual disability.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#14
Posted: 3/15/08 at 3:34am
"it's on the spectrum of autism.
one of the diagnostic criteria is that the person's IQ is over 70.
it's not the same as mental retardation.
mental retardation is measured by IQ.
autistic disorders are diagnosed based on symptoms."


As for the above post....yes. That is a good explanation. I dated someone who had a young son with AS and he was nowhere near retarded....very bright, actually. He just had some behavior issues that were tough to deal with.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#15
Posted: 3/15/08 at 3:34am
"it's on the spectrum of autism.
one of the diagnostic criteria is that the person's IQ is over 70.
it's not the same as mental retardation.
mental retardation is measured by IQ.
autistic disorders are diagnosed based on symptoms."


As for the above post....yes. That is a good explanation. I dated someone who had a young son with AS and he was nowhere near retarded....very bright, actually. He just had some behavior issues that were tough to deal with.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#16
Posted: 3/15/08 at 3:38am
What is the difference between Autism and Mental Retardation?

Most people with mental retardation show relatively even skill development, while individuals with autism typically show uneven skill development with deficits in certain areas - most frequently in their abililty to communicate and relate to others - and distinct skills in other areas. It is important to distinguish autism from mental retardation or other disorders since diagnostic confusion may result in referral to inappropriate and ineffective treatment techniques.


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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#17
Posted: 3/15/08 at 5:10am
That guy definitely is a moron. What kind of sources are Wikipedia and the thesaurus when it comes to mental disorders? And the faultiness of his logic kind of blows my mind.

Autism spectrum disorders (one of which is Asperger's syndrome) are, as shira said, pervasive developmental disorders that are most notably characterized by abnormalities in social interactions. People with autistic disorder quite often have some degree of accompanying mental retardation, but Asperger's is different in that language development and cognitive abilities aren't impaired -- meaning that there isn't significant mental retardation. So no, not only are they not the same thing, they're on two totally different axes of diagnosis.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#18
Posted: 3/15/08 at 11:11am
Because of the way IQ tests are administered, and because of the way that autistic people process external stimuli, I believe it can be difficult to obtain a reliable IQ number. Many of the documented savants in math and music have been autistic.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#19
Posted: 3/15/08 at 7:25pm
You're in good mentally retarded company if you have AS.

Bill Gates, Bobby Fischer, Charles Schulz, Isaac Asimov and Jim Henson were among many others listed on AS support sites.
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Posted: 3/15/08 at 7:31pm
So, 187 people said I'm not retarded and 1 just did? People are amazing.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#21
Posted: 3/15/08 at 7:37pm
was the point of this topic that you wanted us to tell you how smart you are, or was it that you wanted us to tell your facebook friend he was wrong?
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Posted: 3/15/08 at 7:53pm
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#23
Posted: 3/15/08 at 7:57pm
Exactly.

Some of history's most brilliant minds have or are believed to have had Aspergers.
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re: Is aspergers the same as retardation?#24
Posted: 3/16/08 at 12:38am
You really shouldnt be posting facebook links on this site, or any site. You are putting that person in danger, as well as yourself. We all know where you go to school now...not so smart (I mean, I'm not gonna rape you. But you shouldnt be so trusting online)
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