Police: Victim drunk during tiger attack

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Police: Victim drunk during tiger attack#1
Posted: 1/18/08 at 2:09am
SAN FRANCISCO - One of the three victims of San Francisco Zoo tiger attack was intoxicated and admitted to yelling and waving at the animal while standing atop the railing of the big cat enclosure, police said in court documents filed Thursday.
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Paul Dhaliwal, 19, told the father of Carlos Sousa Jr., 17, who was killed, that the three yelled and waved at the tiger but insisted they never threw anything into its pen to provoke the cat, according to a search warrant affidavit obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle.

"As a result of this investigation, (police believe) that the tiger may have been taunted/agitated by its eventual victims," according to Inspector Valerie Matthews, who prepared the affidavit. Police believe that "this factor contributed to the tiger escaping from its enclosure and attacking its victims," she said.


Freakin' idiots.
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Did you just change your avatar?
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Yeah, I change it all the time. I get bored. And the folks at LA Stage Alliance just e-mailed me the pics from the Ovations, so I thought I'd try this one out for a while. :-P
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But back to the topic: If you're gonna climb on top of the rail enclosing the tiger habitat (drunk) and then start waving your arms around and shouting at an extremely dangerous animal, you shouldn't be surprised at the consequences.
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I love the new avatar!

Back on topic: To quote Forrest, "Stupid is as stupid does." I'm really not surprised.
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1) Thanks! re: Police: Victim drunk during tiger attack

2) Yeah, I'm not really surprised, either. and that's just what one of the boys admitted to. I bet they were doing more than just shouting and waving their arms. Even though he denies it, I would bet they were indeed throwing things into the enclosure.

Poor tiger. (I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm one of those people who prefers animals to human beings - I mean, I'm an omnivore, I wear leather, I'm in favor of certain medical experiments on animals in order to save human lives, etc. - but I definitely prefer animals to STUPID PEOPLE.)
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Wouldn't the detectives or cleaning crew find a shoe, or bottle, or hairbrush? Something in the cage to prove that they were throwing things? Or did the guy jump in there to retrieve the thrown objects?

I really didn't read the articles, so I'm not 100% sure what happened.

I feel sorry for homeless people with animals, like puppies or cats, but a tiger would have no problem taking care of itself.
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If they were throwing rocks, you wouldn't know if the rock came from outside the enclosure.

But who knows.

Read the article... The police do say the tiger was definitely "provoked."
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Authorities believe the tiger leaped or climbed out of the enclosure, which had a wall 4 feet shorter than the recommended minimum.

Shame on the zoo. The kids were at fault, but if the fence had been higher, this wouldn't have happened. Or, maybe it would've happened, but no one would have been injured.
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I agree with that. There is blame to go around, but - to play devil's advocate - if the "kids" hadn't been doing what they were expressly forbidden to do by the zoo (i.e., climbing up on top of the fence and taunting the animal), it never would have happened, either.
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Were the kids told to stop, and they did it anyway? Or was there just a sign posted?

If a zoo official saw them doing it, they should've been escorted out ASAP.

There should be a zero tolerance policy where dangerous animals are concerned.
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The "victim" was the tiger who ended being shot. I have almost no sympathy for the drunk who was just asking for it.

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So I want a pet tiger....thing is I'm allergic to cats....do you think I'd be allergic to tigers? :)
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Why do people feel the need to taunt the animals at the zoo? I was at the zoo once, and this 40-year-old father was teaching his son to bang on the glass outside the big brown bears, even though the sign told him not to. They banged on that glass for a good 10 minutes when the bear got mad and charged them. Of course, the glass protected them, but still. Why do these people think it's a good idea to provoke very large and dangerous animals?
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Unfortunately, the douchebag gene seems to be dominant, not recessive.
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re: Police: Victim drunk during tiger attack#15
Posted: 1/18/08 at 10:08am
So the moral of the story is: If you are a drunk teenager, don't f**k with wild tigers.



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re: Police: Victim drunk during tiger attack#16
Posted: 1/18/08 at 10:26am
I couldn't agree with you more, Erika. I mean, I *guess* I understand why they had to shoot the tiger, but these kids don't get any sympathy from me.

But I have no problem saying I like animals more than I like most people.

And I eat meat, so I know this makes me a hypocrite.
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tiger drunk during people attack#17
Posted: 1/18/08 at 1:38pm
had the zoo followed even the minimum security standard, that kid could have drenched himslef in cow's blood and stood atop the fence mooing at the top of his lungs and tossing raw meat at the tiger and unless he fell into the cage he would have been safe. the fault lies with the zoo. let's also recall that this was not the first time this particular animal had tasted human flesh at this zoo. unless a preson is inside the enclosure, i don't care what he did, it's the zoo's fault. had the zoo destroyed this animal or taken it out of close proximity with the public after the first time it gnawed on someone, it wouldn't have happened. at thit point i'd suggest shooting the zoo staff and the sheriff as well.
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"Shame on the zoo. The kids were at fault, but if the fence had been higher, this wouldn't have happened."

EXACTLY......while this kid is finally accepting responsibility, the fence was NOT high enough.
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I agree that it's the zoo's fault...I'll give you that much, but they weren't poor, innocent kids either.

The tiger paid the price for being..well, a tiger.


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Erika, you're right. These kids are to blame for the situation. They caused it. Not some under height fence. If the kids had not taunted the tiger, it would not have attacked. Period. The issue isn't the wall height, it's the responsibility of the actions by the kids.

Has anyone heard from the kid's slimebag lawyer? Remember, this is the guy who cried foul when the zoo said they had taunted the tiger? He said the kids were innocent and wouldn't lie. Yeah right. Drunken pot heads never lie. They just get attacked by animals.
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There were shoe prints on the inside of the exhibit...and there was a piece of a sign and sticks and rocks that were not part of the exhibit that were found inside.

But the wall was like, 4 feet shorter than what it should've been. So I think it's both parties faults. It's just a sad situation all around, but I think it would be really unfair for those two kids to get millions of dollars in the settlement because they were asking for it.
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re: Police: Victim drunk during tiger attack#22
Posted: 1/19/08 at 12:00am
OK Hands up, who's willing to go one on one with an hungry enraged tiger for $1,000,000?

We get enough candidates, Fox is giving me a 13 episode committment.
No good can possibly come from using this vast wasteland of error and deliberate deceit. You should get off of it and warn others away. You should make sure your children and grandchildren know what a corrupt and morally bankrupt institution it truly is.
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re: Police: Victim drunk during tiger attack#23
Posted: 1/19/08 at 12:03am
ok so first off, it was a teeen. second they were drunk and third they were aggrivating the tiger. yeah no sympathy at all. **** that dumb piece of ****.



also. WHO THE HELL GETS DRUNK AT THE ZOO???????
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The appropriate punishment for drunken teenage idiocy is death by tiger mauling? Not that I excuse the behavior, but no sympathy? really? Any empathy? I've seen some pretty cruel drunken behavior right here on this board.

I think zoos are an abomination to begin with. And I don't visit them. But I would like to get, just in case, a list of which zoo animals might have access to me in these situations. Cause I used to think even idiots were safe from animal attack in a zoo.

If an animal can get out when it's being taunted, it can also get out when it's not being taunted. It's completely the zoo's fault. Yes the kids are idiots. But it's completely the zoo's fault.
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