Non-Smoking Contract for Actors - Page 3

[Kad]

Posted: 7/23/19 at 5:15pm

LuPita2 said: "Kad said: "Man, people on this board are incredibly naive.

Or, you know, letting others live their life and not judging them. She can be anywhere in the world and smoke. The judgement is gross and such a waste of everyone's time. Leave her alone."

Considering I had already posted in this thread pointing out that there are many Broadway performers who smoke, I thought it would've been clear that I was not referring to the people who are withholding judgment as being naive (how would that even be naive?).  

[TobiasRagg]

Posted: 7/23/19 at 7:45pm

jansalrose said: "Well, thank god Tobias Ragg brought this matter to our attention so more people can pass judgement. Are we really scrutinizing people's Instagram photos now like they're legal documents? The DRAMA."

So, so sorry that I had a question about what kind of things were in Broadway Contracts and it turned into a discussion.
 

On a discussion forum.

Gasp. So scandalous.

 

I made it clear from the start that I’m not one of the people judging her, and I couldn’t care less what she does either way, but if people sharing their opinions offends you, don’t log onto a discussion board. 

Updated On: 7/23/19 at 07:45 PM

[ChildofEarth]

Posted: 7/23/19 at 8:00pm

Several key members of the biggest hits on Broadway smoke (Hamilton, Hadestown, Chicago come to mind).

There are bigger fish to fry.

[dangeresque49]

Posted: 7/23/19 at 8:26pm

I love when people point to hypocritical laws as a reason for not doing something. We need to decide weather or not 18 means you are an adult or not and apply it across the board. Also knowing a few people who smoke that can still sing after years is not actually a legit argument that smoking is not detrimental for someones career. That is not have statistics work. I think being a Broadway singer who made it would be motivation to stay in pristine condition for a role but from experience on even minor shows the stress is probably incredible and these people are desperate for a bit of a break sometimes. 

[jansalrose]

Posted: 7/23/19 at 8:43pm

No, you had to use that specific example. IF you were "simply curious", you would've just asked if there was anything in an actor's contract that would prevent them from smoking. (Which, let's face it, is impossible). You didn't have to drag a specific person into the discussion, leading people to make judgements on Miss Caruso's personal life and choices. It's scary how much people read into a performer's photos on social media.

I'm sure countless Broadway performers of ALL ages sneak cigarettes in between shows, or even in their dressing rooms. They're only human. Doesn't matter if it's a "good" choice or not. So somebody smokes. What are ya gonna do? Go to the stagedoor and wag your finger in their face?

 

Updated On: 7/23/19 at 08:43 PM

[TobiasRagg]

Posted: 7/23/19 at 9:05pm

jansalrose said: "No, you had to use that specific example. IF you were "simply curious", you would've just asked if there was anything in an actor's contract that would prevent them from smoking. (Which, let's face it, is impossible). You didn't have to drag a specific person into the discussion, leading people to make judgements on Miss Caruso's personal life and choices. It's scary how much people read into a performer's photos on social media.

I'm sure countless Broadway performers of ALL ages sneak cigarettes in between shows, or even in their dressing rooms. They're only human. Doesn't matter if it's a "good" choice or not. So somebody smokes. What are ya gonna do? Go to the stagedoor and wag your finger in their face?

"

Aye aye, captain. I’ll remember to filter myself next time I post on here, so that I don’t offend any rich broadway actors who probably couldn’t care less about what people think about their public life choices. 
You’re being overly defensive and still not understanding that I said I couldn’t care less what she does in her free time, so why would I “go to the stagedoor and wag my finger in their face”? You’re acting like I have a personal vendetta towards her because the reaction to her post made me curious. It’s even not worth this reply, so I’ll leave it at that  

 

Updated On: 7/23/19 at 09:05 PM

[TheGingerBreadMan]

Posted: 7/23/19 at 9:32pm

Luminaire2 said: "Smoking is stupid, people who start smoking at a young age in our modern world are stupid. But not minding your own business is also stupid."

Seriously? You seem like you're not minding your own business by calling people stupid for making choices that have nothing to do with you. Talk about hypocritical.

[vanbrig]

Posted: 7/24/19 at 12:03am

This thread is crazy. I came to this thread thinking I would learn more about the topic originally proposed (are non-smoking contracts common on Broadway), and what a wild ride it's been. We've got a few random reasonable posters who answered OP's question and provided insight on that (thank you to you wonderful souls). Then we've got a slightly larger crowd going off on a bunch of tangents from one end (wondering what would possess a singer to smoke, expressing horror at the very idea, etc) to the other (expressing that people who dislike smoking are pearl-clutchers and patting themselves on the back for how open-minded they are while being some of the biggest eyeroll inducers on this thread). Nothing quite like seeing someone make what feels like 82 thousand posts that essentially boil down to wailing LEAVE HER ALONE at OP for asking about the accuracy of someone's comment on Instagram that everyone has a non-smoking clause. What a ride. The beauty of BroadwayWorld.

Everyone is allowed to have whatever habits (within reason) they prefer. Other people are allowed to think those habits are dumb and gross. Nobody should be harassing anyone on social media over it.

And to answer the questions proposed by some about why a singer would smoke: singers are human just like the rest of us, and we as a species are kind of stupid sometimes. Smoking (even light smoking) is a short-sighted bad habit that has decent risks for health complications later in life and often leads to regret if those complications arise. It's far from the only habit like this, I don't know a single person (myself included) who doesn't do something dumb and short-sighted that they'll probably regret later in life. It's just what we do.

[TobiasRagg]

Posted: 7/24/19 at 12:10am

vanbrig said: "This thread is crazy. I came to this thread thinking I would learn more about the topic originally proposed (are non-smoking contracts common on Broadway), and what a wild ride it's been. We've got a few random reasonable posters who answered OP's question and provided insight on that (thank you to you wonderful souls). Then we've got a slightly larger crowd going off on a bunch of tangents from one end (wondering what would possess a singer to smoke, expressing horror at the very idea, etc) to the other (expressing that people who dislike smoking are pearl-clutchers and patting themselves on the back for how open-minded they are while being some of the biggest eyeroll inducers on this thread). Nothing quite like seeing someone make what feels like 82 thousand posts that essentially boil down to wailing LEAVE HER ALONE at OP for asking about the accuracy of someone's comment on Instagram that everyone has a non-smoking clause. What a ride. The beauty of BroadwayWorld.

Everyone is allowed to have whatever habits (within reason) they prefer. Other people are allowed to think those habits are dumb and gross. Nobody should be harassing anyone on social media over it.

And to answer the questions proposed by some about why a singer would smoke: singers are human just like the rest of us, and we as a species are kind of stupid sometimes. Smoking (even light smoking) is a short-sighted bad habit that has decent risks for health complications later in life and often leads to regret if those complications arise. It's far from the only habit like this, I don't know a single person (myself included) who doesn't do something dumb and short-sighted that they'll probably regret later in life. It's just what we do."

I can’t thank you enough for actually reading and comprehending my question. People go from 0 to 100 on this forum for some reason. I keep seeing it on different threads. I didn’t expect to be attacked for this, but I’m honestly not surprised.
People see their favorite people mentioned in a possibly negative light and instantly go into defense mode without taking the time to even understand the context of the post. 

Updated On: 7/24/19 at 12:10 AM

[dramamama611]

Posted: 7/24/19 at 6:05am

You people are ridiculous. He asked a question and gave background WHY. ADDITIONALLY, no one attacked HER, they questioned her choice to smoke .. you know, given that tabacco leads to so many illnesses.

[vanbrig]

Posted: 7/24/19 at 1:22pm

dramamama611 said: "
You people are ridiculous. He asked a question and gave background WHY. ADDITIONALLY, no one attacked HER, they questioned her choice to smoke .. you know, given that tabacco leads to so many illnesses.
"

Some people on this board are incredibly thin-skinned, look for any reason to take offense, and then tear others down for practically no reason at all, all while patting themselves on the back for being so "non-judgmental."

Simply acknowledging the harmful effects of smoking cigarettes isn't a horrible judgy behavior; it's a statement of fact. Even light smoking can be dangerous (I believe someone earlier compared smoking a couple times a week to an athlete eating fast food a couple times a week, which isn't really an apt comparison. You can train your body to burn off fat. You can't train your lungs to filter out tar. Not to mention that smoking occasionally also creates secondhand smoke, and the I'm guessing athlete in this scenario isn't forcing big macs down the throats of everyone around them). As it turns out, people can acknowledge these facts without vilifying those who choose to smoke (of course, personal attacks and such are always wrong). If the people who are doing that offend some of the posters on this board, I'm sorry but we can't change science. 

 And that's just one example of one of the many weird things that came up on this thread.    

 

[EllieRose2]

Posted: 7/24/19 at 1:25pm

Weird thread.