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Posted: 8/4/15 at 4:56pm

It's not theater but I have a strong feeling this will crossover with more than a few of the theater crowd:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNXkJMXPBGc


It's a pretty good trailer.


 


Also give it 5 years it'll be a musical.


 

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 5:31pm

A former classmate of mine is in this, which is exciting for him.


But it seems weirdly like a retread of 1996's Stonewall. Down to the clean-cut white boy protagonist. And Roland Emmerich is an... odd director for this.

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 5:34pm

wow this looks fantastic!! and what great timing for this film too!

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 5:37pm

I never miss a Jon Robin Baitz/Roland Emmerich film. 

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 6:00pm

I am looking forward to this.  I hope it is good.  And I hope it starts the conversation going on our gay rights history.  Our youngsters ( in general.  Not being specific) seem to be very ignorant.

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 6:01pm

its true!! I just learned about all of this a year ago. They dont really teach it in schools even though they should. 

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 6:08pm

I have major issues with that trailer, but I'll wait and see if they actually make the clean-cut, cis white, Hollywood attractive young male the actual kick starter of the Stonewall riots or if they'll actually give credit to the people who actually did.

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 6:42pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this film was shot in Canada, either Toronto or Montreal. Bugs me no end that a script BUILT around a spot in the West Village needs to be filmed in a foreign country. Another instance of watering down the uniqueness of the story to shoot cheaply enough to get a green light. Grrrrrrrrrr....

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 6:47pm

Well, I'm not sure we're able to say yet that the uniqueness of the story has been watered down.  Perhaps the accuracy of the location shooting has been.

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 6:48pm

well maybe it was better that way...i mean, nyc has changed a lot

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Posted: 8/4/15 at 6:55pm

I'm just basing this on the trailer, but Lord, those streets for the night scenes look as accurate for the West Village as the ones in QUEER AS FOLK looked like Pittsburgh. (Which is to say not at all.) Just wish we could see real brownstone stoops, or the Village Cigar shop, or the Washington Square Arch showing up in a movie that demands to really look like New York. 


Ok, done with my soapbox for today.


 

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 1:28pm

Wow that's sure white and cis

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 1:47pm

I doubt it's gonna be any good but "white and cis"? Isn't that just a kneejerk criticism? Like the people who said Looking was all white when it was half-Latino?


If these are the main characters below, I count two white guys, two black guys and two gender-neutrals.


 


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Posted: 8/5/15 at 1:52pm

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 2:24pm

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 2:40pm

"I'm just basing this on the trailer, but Lord, those streets for the night scenes look as accurate for the West Village as the ones in QUEER AS FOLK looked like Pittsburgh. (Which is to say not at all.) Just wish we could see real brownstone stoops, or the Village Cigar shop, or the Washington Square Arch showing up in a movie that demands to really look like New York. 
Ok, done with my soapbox for today.
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MOFTB, the agency that handles permitting for films, etc., has a list of areas that you absolutely cannot shoot in because home and business owners are exhausted by the amount of filming that has shut down their streets or inconvenienced them. Certain streets and neighborhoods will stay on this area for a few months (or a year +) at a time to allow things to settle bit before another production sweeps in. Most of the West Village is almost always on this list. It wouldn't surprise me if filming on Christopher was simply not an option - especially for the amount of time it would be needed. A large portion of that trailer is exterior shots of the bar. That would cause a lot of issues at a major NYC intersection (Christopher & 7th Ave) if they shut it down for several days.

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 4:05pm

You're quite correct up to a point. I too am very familiar with the Hot List, having just finished shooting a feature for New Line this past spring/summer in Manhattan and Brooklyn.


It's true that the Stonewall exterior and it's surrounding square would have had to be recreated elsewhere in NYC just like they had to recreate it in Canada for this feature. I accept that up to a point. But there are countless other streets in the West and East Villages, never mind Brooklyn and the Bronx, that ARE available for filming. And they look a lot more like the streets of Manhattan than their generic counterparts in Toronto or Montreal, believe me. 


Some films depend less on getting the external details right. But sheesh, with a movie about Stonewall, I wish just once a production company would care enough to get the look really correct. (Crying into the wind, I know...)

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 5:15pm

This shouldn't even be made if it's not centering trans WOC.

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 6:11pm

"Centering"? "SHOULD NOT BE MADE"? WTF!


The Stonewall was a Mafia-owned bar in a still-closeted New York, not a hangout for drag queens or trans women. According to the late trans activist Sylvia Rivera, who was out on the street and is said (by some) to have started the riot by throwing quarters at the cops:


"The Stonewall wasn't a bar for drag queens. Everybody keeps saying it was. If you were a drag queen, you could only get into the Stonewall if they knew you. And only a certain number of drag queens were allowed into the Stonewall at that time." 


Sylvia was NOT one of the queens allowed into the Stonewall by the Mafia. So the people inside the Stonewall were mostly male and white (they were called "sweater boys"), not mostly transgender.


HOWEVER, the riots themselves really happened outside on the street, where the Mafia had no control. The streets were filled with "street queens" and "street kids" and hustlers but inside the bar, it was mostly sweater boys. On the second night, Sylvia's fellow trans activist (they called themselves "drag activists" back then--it was way before the use of "trans") Marsha P. Johnson dropped a heavy bag on a squad car, breaking the windshield. That started the second night of riots.


Also, the riots happened over the course of two nights. As the two days progressed and word spread, the crowd got more and more diverse. But the clientele of the bar was primarily sweater boys.

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 6:14pm

I found this article in regards to the movie trailer pretty informative. Let's hope at least Marsha P Johnson plays a large part in this movie. (Not holding my breath.) A quick look at IMDB shows her halfway down the page, played by Otoja Abit. When I first heard about the Stonewall riots, the three older gentlemen talking to me about it focused the story with Marsha, so in my mind at least, she's a key player. 


 


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Posted: 8/5/15 at 6:26pm

When I first heard about the Stonewall Riots, the two older gentlemen talking to me were still wearing sweaters. 


One of them claimed to have been there that first night, and the other waited until the first went to the bathroom and whispered, "She was never at the Stonewall. She hated the Stonewall. She said the girls there were tacky."

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 6:29pm

...from the legendary director of White House Down, Stargate and Independence Day?  


 


 

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Posted: 8/5/15 at 7:54pm

"but I'll wait and see if they actually make the clean-cut, cis white, Hollywood attractive young male the actual kick starter of the Stonewall riots or if they'll actually give credit to the people who actually did."

The kickstarter has always been credited as a white butch lesbian, which is portrayed in the trailer.

I rarely see anyone suggest these days that drag queens and transgendered people weren't a part of the Stonewall riots.

I very frequently see people trying to suggest that white gay men weren't, in some sort of historically-inaccurate, post-modern backlash to "reclaim" it from the white male establishment. As if white male gay young, homeless hustlers in 1969 were somehow "the establishment".

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Posted: 8/6/15 at 10:42am

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Posted: 8/6/15 at 10:47am

Marsha, not Martha