Glee Appreciation Thread- Page 3

[Owen22]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:17pm

Don't be too hard on Jordan. I think he's still young and alot of the things he says on here are pretty astute. He'll eventually get it. He's taken a stand, though I'm pretty sure deep down he knows he's probably wrong, notice how he tried to deflect my opinions on people who watch the show as being "misogynists" which is, of course, not what I said at all. And he knew that. That kind of thing is a young person's debating technique when their argument is hollow.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:18pm

I have a question. Last week Ryder was talking on a computer to some woman. Was it ever revealed who she was or are we just meant to believe Ryder is schizophrenic like in A Beautiful Mind?

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:18pm

All That Jazz- Edit: And the music is very well done. When I listen to the many songs on cd "Dream on", "What I did for love", "Poker Face", "To sir with love", "Anything could happen", "We are young", "Survivor/I will survive", "Rumour has it/Someone like you", "I wanna hold your hand", etc etc etc. I can't believe how well produced the numbers are. Every little chorus part and adlib is always very musical and perfect.
The music in a film like "Pitch Perfect" for example is done VERY sloppy.
Shifted chorus parts etc, I just can't listen to it. "

I assume you love auto-tune which is used very often on "Glee".

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 01:18 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:20pm

You deride anecdotal accounts of Lea Michele's behavior (which actually circle within the industry), but use anecdotal evidence to support your own argument.

There is little hard evidence to support the idea that Glee is having any sort of wide effect outside of an audience that would already be predisposed to be exploring the arts.

...in fact, the only group of people who are seeing massive benefits from Glee are those who are making money off of it.

[Owen22]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:23pm

Oh Kad, Poor Kad, Glee has hung you in the closet and....oh f*ck it...

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:30pm

Yankee fan, No I don't love auto tune, the very obviously auto-tuned numbers are my least favorite, I'm not going to lie, I didn't like I don't know how to love him. Nevertheless, EVERY pop recording artist today uses auto tune whether you can notice it or not. At least when I'm watching Glee it doesn't bother me because I know she could do still sound as amazing without it. In the last episode Blaine's heart breaking solo was recorded live on set.

[Kad]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:32pm

"That kind of thing is a young person's debating technique when their argument is hollow."

You. Twenty goddamn minutes ago, in re: Jordan.

[jnb9872]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:35pm

People making money off "Glee", parenthetically, often don't include the artists from whom Glee takes it's inspiration.

http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2013/01/18/baby-got-back-and-glee/

As for the show itself and its "joyful brilliance" I watched the first season and was thrilled that a show such as it existed. About halfway through the second season, when the characters had long-since ceased resembling human beings that I can recognize as three-dimensional (with the notable exception of Kurt, though one could argue his three-dimensionality became so flagrant it itself became two-dimensional), I gave up watching the show (as many others, it seemed, did.) Now Glee appears to have the fanatic tribalism of its supporters ("Gleeks," as they very vocally declare themselves) while having lost nearly all critical and industry respect. Fun fact: Glee was nominated for 19 Emmy Awards in its first season, and won four; it dwindled to twelve nominations the subsequent year and only one this past. Peaked too soon, it seems...

My problem with the show actually has little to do with Musical Theatre or Lea Michele or Matthew Morrison rapping (ok, maybe it had a little to do with Matthew Morrison rapping), but it goes to Ryan Murphy: Mr. Murphy is excellent at selling shows on the strengths of their pilots, but once it gets into long-running series' his storytelling sense is wackadoo and he loses me every time. Murphy's shows, to me, are houses of cards: very attractive surface-level entertainment, which the more you explore creak and groan until the rickety foundation cannot sustain itself and it collapses. (This, as it happens, is why I think making American Horror Story an "Anthology series" was the smartest thing Murphy has ever done; he finally freed himself from having to manage long-term storytelling! Just reboot when he gets bored!)

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 01:35 PM

[Gothampc]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:36pm

Can we stop the fighting? If Glee has taught us anything, it's that when conflict arises, we must sing it out.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:40pm

^Amen!! I'll start:

WHE-E-E-E-ER IS LOVE?

[Dave19]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:52pm

"Fun fact: Glee was nominated for 19 Emmy Awards in its first season"

19 Emmy nominations is extraordinary.

Why do the nay-sayers here think it got so many?

[jnb9872]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 2:09pm

Because, as my post indicated, a lot of people liked it in its first season. I wrote that to indicate that I, like a lot of those dramamama wrote about, watched it happily that first year before the wheels fell off for most of us.

I also brought it up to indicate the steep drop-off in perceived quality, both personally and anecdotally (through the use of critical assessment as evidence.) 19 nominations was extraordinary. Winnowing down to 18 less within two years is also extraordinary; most shows with Emmy love tend to keep it -- the Emmys are often criticized for keeping nominees around long after they're over-the-hill *cough*Entourage*cough* so to lose all of that steam in two short years... this was the point I was bringing up.

[ClydeBarrow]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 2:18pm

To all that jazz.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 2:18pm

Glee is the smartest show I have ever seen. I love the sharp dialogues and double standards. Certain episodes make me laugh and cry at the same time. Not even a movie has ever done that to me.

Clever writing? One or two witty lines does not make up for the fact that characters switch personalities every episode, there are plot holes that could swallow up entire cities, and the fact that the writers cannot seem to create drama without endlessly pairing up different combinations of characters. And just because the writers occasionally make fun of their mistakes does not excuse them from making those mistakes in the first place (like Emma's father commenting on how students should start looking at colleges during their junior year).

I love television. I love good writing on television. And Glee does not have good writing.

Oh, and when I talk about the show's misogyny, I mean the fact that Rachel Berry has absolutely no agency whatsoever. She didn't even get to be involved in the storyline about her boyfriend being a male prostitute. Not to mention that creepy Finn scene where he calls her his future wife and tells Brody to never see her again without even considering if Rachel, who is a grown woman, would want that.

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 02:18 PM

[ClydeBarrow]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 2:31pm

I'm not even going to pretend that I've read this entire thread because it's the same sh!t that has been said a million times before. I will give some thoughts on the last episode.

Why on Earth would teenagers in high school TODAY even know what Small Wonder is much less have a Vicki costume? Teenagers today would not have been obsessed with the Spice Girls and watched Spice World which came out in 1997 (around the time they would have been born).

This whole being a straight girl obsessing over a gay guy and a gay guy in love with his straight guy friend is beyond boring. Thankfully they did those storylines back to back just so we remember how stupid (and somewhat offensive) it is.

And thank you Glee for finally tackling the topic of Chris Brown and Rihanna. Who gives two sh!ts about that anymore? This show is basically the worst and I'm dumber after every episode I subject myself to.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 2:38pm

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 2:44pm

FYI every girl in my school LOVES the spice girls, specially that one song. Many of my favorite movies were made before I was born so what's your point? Why are you even posting here, since as you, oh so eloquently expressed, you're tired of of the discussions on this subject. Why do you watch the show and pay such careful attention to detail if you HATE IT so much??

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 02:44 PM

[DustyC]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:03pm

I will just throw it out there and say that Jordan is my all time favorite poster on here. Always brings a smile to my face!

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:14pm

SporkGoddess - Excellent points about the writing. So many lame storylines and things that are not believable over the years. Where do we begin - lol. Finn believing he could be the father of Quinn's baby and not actually having intercourse with her. Rachel flubbing her audition for a "prestigous" school but getting a 2nd chance and gets in. Rachel's mother (Idina Menzel) sleeps with Puck who is a HS student, really. Let's continue with the character of Sue who is so over the top that she is like a cartoon character. I am sure there are many other example but these came to mind quickly.

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 03:14 PM

[dramamama611]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:21pm

You just invalidated any point you were going to make: NO, not every girl in your school loves the Spice Girls. It is impossible. Even if lots of them do -- which is highly doubtful.

MAYBE your friends, do -- but that's not what you said.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:27pm

Believe it or not, more than often has happened that we're taking class and somebody starts to sing that song and EVRY girl in the classroom starts singing it. But you're right, drama, maybe it was an exaggeration to say every girl in my school, let's say at least 65%.

[jnb9872]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:44pm

[dramamama611]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:49pm

There is also a huge difference between knowing one specific song vs being a huge fan.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:58pm

"Clever writing? One or two witty lines does not make up for the fact that characters switch personalities every episode, there are plot holes that could swallow up entire cities"

Don't even get me started.

Remember when we first met Blaine, how he was the "hero" mouthpiece for being gay. Then Darren Criss signed the contract and he's in a race with Chris Colfer to be the nelliest nelly on tv. "Oh Sam I have a secret crush on you but don't hate me cause everyone else does too. I mean if you could kiss up on Mercedes, you could certainly kiss up on me right?"

Remember when Mercedes fell in love with Kurt? That worked so well that we had to repeat it with Tina and Blaine.

Remember the episode where Artie had those artificial legs? I guess they couldn't make the payments so the repo man paid a visit and took them away.

And the repo man must have taken away Sue Sylvester's character because she started to be nice when she had an autistic sister, then the sister died and she became mean again.

Remember when Puck had to date Lauren? I guess all the hot cougars he was cleaning pools for got a social disease.

I guess Unique is the new Lauren because all the character development we ever get out of Unique is sass. They don't even throw slushies at Unique.

And what happened to Sugar and the Christian dude with the long hair. Don't they ever get solos or do they not sing?

And this high school must be where all the well adjusted kids in the US go because they always know how to articulate their feelings and they're never shy about relationships.

[blaxx]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 3:58pm

I may not remember everything about being 17, but I'm sure I wasn't THIS dense.