Glee Appreciation Thread- Page 2

[dramamama611]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 11:21am

You can't disagree with me. In MY community -- where I know well over 50 drama teachers, directors, camp leaders, etc -- there has been no change due to Glee. It is a conversation we have had about this.


Jordan -- remember when you were 17 and knew everything? Yeah, that.

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 11:21 AM

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 11:34am

Can we talk about how misogynistic the show is, too?

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 11:42am

"That comment would make sense if it made any sense at all."

And I'm the 17 year old inmature person...

[Kad]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 11:51am

Watch Glee and enjoy it all you wish, but don't assert it's something it's not because you love it.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 11:54am

"And I'm the 17 year old inmature person..."

And...?

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:07pm

Well jordan, It seems ridiculous to me, calling me senseless and immature when your comments aren't making any sense.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:14pm

Which of my comments make no sense, child? You tell me what you didn't understand and I'll break it down like a Little Golden Book for you.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:19pm

I don't see that anyone called you immature. We're talking about the blind naivete with which you make your assertions.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:20pm

"That comment would make sense if it made any sense at all."

^ This comment. I know what it means, you don't have to explain it. It just seems that instead of debating with proper arguments the way a person with "common sense" would do, you chose to be clever without really expressing anything. Again, hate for the sake of hating.

Jordan -- remember when you were 17 and knew everything? Yeah, that.

Well, drama, maybe I misunderstood your comment, but that ^ to me is calling a person immature.

I've never claimed to know everything, I'm just stating my opinions on here like the rest of you are.

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 12:20 PM

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:22pm

You call that hate? It's a statement that says that your statement above it lacked any sort of sense whatsoever, hence the lacking of sense is what made it nonsensical. So my comment makes perfect sense when reflecting upon your post and the sense it failed to provide.

[Owen22]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:23pm

I've said it once and I'll say it again. "GLEE" will go down in history as one of the greatest and most important shows of this time period.

I'll also throw in that "Glee" haters are probably just embarrassed about their own love of the sometimes silly pretensions of the musical theatre genre reflected back at them. Cause a show that can be as joyfully brilliant as "GLEE" to have so many haters...well, something else is going on...

Lea-hate probably fuels this as well. Talk about misogyny. For a girl who has supposedly been SO evil most everything bad I've read about her here appears to be completely anecdotal. And what little is out there on those there Internets seem somewhat anecdotal as well.

And of course taste is subjective (but look who I'm talking to!) but to take "GLEE" at merely its surface makes me wonder how you people handle the basic metaphors of theatre in general. Or maybe you take that all surface as well. That explains a lot.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:27pm

I've said it once and I'll say it again. "GLEE" fans are ridiculous. They think that just because people hate a show that they (for some ungodly reason seem to like) that those people are fueled by misogyny.

And of course taste is subjective (I mean look who I'm talking to!) but to take GLEE at merely it's surface makes me wonder how anyone can even consider themselves knowledgable or having any sort of taste in musical theater or entertainment in general.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:29pm

Thank you Owen, we Gleeks have to stick together against the evils of this board.

Jordan, what part my comment didn't made any sense to you? Would you please tell me so I can kindly explain it to you.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:30pm

You figure it out.

[Dave19]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:33pm

Dramamama : "In MY community -- where I know well over 50 drama teachers, directors, camp leaders, etc -- there has been no change due to Glee. It is a conversation we have had about this".

Good for your little community. I know those communities too. A lot of camp leaders, teachers and directors. Most of them have tunnel vision about their own styles and the people they are fan of and the things they consider to be "good", and are teaching their ideas for years and years.

But I was talking about the rest of the world.



Updated On: 3/24/13 at 12:33 PM

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:35pm

I live in NYC and agree with Dramamama. The teachers and people involved with the arts with kids say exactly the same thing. But I guess that's just my little community here in New York City.

[Kad]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:39pm

The rest of the world in which Hugh Jackman isn't considered a star, right?

[Kad]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:44pm

"I'll also throw in that "Glee" haters are probably just embarrassed about their own love of the sometimes silly pretensions of the musical theatre genre reflected back at them. Cause a show that can be as joyfully brilliant as "GLEE" to have so many haters...well, something else is going on... "

...and it could be, quite possibly, that many people don't think it's joyfully brilliant.

And most musical theatre fans are shameless in their love for all the pretensions of musical theatre. Ever been to Marie's Crisis?

[dramamama611]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:50pm

This has nothing to do with my style or view of my own work. It was asserted that Glee has improved upon MT participation. My comments simply addressed that it is not the case.

Don't you think we'd notice if we had an influx of participation? Or that new programs were poppping up? If its not happening where we are (and my community isn't all that small, btw -- certainly not as large as NYC, however) then its fair to say that my larger community is representative of what is happening.

[Dave19]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:54pm

Jordan Catalano, you don't think it makes sense and you don't think Glee has anything to do with musical theatre?

What about the millions of schools around the world creating musical theatre productions for the first time "like the kids on Glee did on their school"?

I could mention many themes about Glee, music, singing, acting, behind the scenes drama, schoolproductions, competition, insecurity, contests, broadway, dancing, shownumbers, tv show, theatre show, harmony singing, broadway stars, rivalry, etc, etc.

And you haven't noticed any of these things?

Oops. Looks like you haven't seen Glee then.

And I agree with Owen22: "I've said it once and I'll say it again. "GLEE" will go down in history as one of the greatest and most important shows of this time period."

Glee is the smartest show I have ever seen. I love the sharp dialogues and double standards. Certain episodes make me laugh and cry at the same time. Not even a movie has ever done that to me.

After watching Glee, series like Friends, Will and Grace have such dumb, simple and easy humour, it's not fun anymore. And series like that miss heart and feel. Other (drama)series take themselves too seriously. Glee has the perfect balance and it's heart in the right place.

I wish some of the queens on this board would pay attention to this and the very clever writing.

Another thing is, and please don't feel offended anyone, I think the humour on Glee and the way some dialogues are written, goes over the head of many people, because many people are not socially smart enough to understand because many times a scene has 3 layers, and I notice some friends of mine only pick up 1 of them.

Glee is completely my cup of tea and I have experienced all possible emotions watching the show.

Edit: And the music is very well done. When I listen to the many songs on cd "Dream on", "What I did for love", "Poker Face", "To sir with love", "Anything could happen", "We are young", "Survivor/I will survive", "Rumour has it/Someone like you", "I wanna hold your hand", etc etc etc. I can't believe how well produced the numbers are. Every little chorus part and adlib is always very musical and perfect.
The music in a film like "Pitch Perfect" for example is done VERY sloppy.
Shifted chorus parts etc, I just can't listen to it.

Updated On: 3/24/13 at 12:54 PM

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:58pm

My daughters went to arts magnet school (grades 6-12) in Charlotte NC which existed well before "Glee". Every student had to have a "arts" major and needed to audition in their particular art to have a chance to get into the school. One of the big events of the year was the spring musical which was done for many years in the Bluementhal Performing Arts Center in Charlotte. This school has had several students make it to Broadway and currently one of their alumni is a understudy for the Off-Broadway show "Forbidden Broadway". This is just one example of interest by young people in our city in the arts and there are many others. In other words, I don't think "Glee" has had much to do with interest in the arts for young people in Charlotte.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:59pm

"And of course taste is subjective (I mean look who I'm talking to!) but to take GLEE at merely it's surface makes me wonder how anyone can even consider themselves knowledgable or having any sort of taste in musical theater or entertainment in general."

Jordan, you're basically saying that anyone who watches Glee is tasteless. I think that's the most elitist, self indulgent and overall offensive thing I've ever read. You can't question a person's taste or interest in musical theater for watching one of three, and the first show on television in the past years that has to do with musical theater. Sure the main plot is about a show choir, but theater has always been a part of it. We always knew Rachel wanted to become a broadway star and show tunes, although not the the primary emphasis, have always been involved. It shouldn't even matter if the show is arts themed or not, because the show itself IS a musical. The characters express their emotions through songs, a concept which for a very long time was rejected by most of the mainstream population.

What is tasteless to you about Lea Michele's rendition of My Man or Chris Colfer's As if we never said goodbye? What about when they did Cabaret and introduced today's generation to two of the most precious gems in the MT cannon( as far as I'm concerned) Maybe this time and Cabaret. I know you will argue that your surprisingly knowledgeable kids already knew those songs, but the rest of the young population didn't.

[all that jazz]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 12:59pm

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[Marianne2]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:03pm

Personally, I do think Glee with be remembered, but just for it being different and starting off really popular and nothing else. It's one of those shows you either love or hate or even could be a guilty pleasure show because of what it is. But, I don't think it's as important as people are making it out to be.

I predict, VH1 will eventually have an I love the 2010's special like they did with the 80's & 90's and Glee will go on there and will probably be ridiculed a bit.

[Dave19]

Posted: 3/24/13 at 1:16pm

"What about when they did Cabaret and introduced today's generation to two of the most precious gems in the MT cannon( as far as I'm concerned) Maybe this time and Cabaret. I know you will argue that your surprisingly knowledgeable kids already knew those songs, but the rest of the young population didn't."

Good point. I see this everywhere.
Think of the many reactions on Youtube video's of the original songs "Like if Glee brought you here" and then you see +500

Also, I give presentations on schools, and I have various introduction video's I show, sometimes with music.
On one of the clips I had Kerry Ellis' version of "Defying Gravity" and I asked the class, "does anyone know where this song is from?". And they shouted "From Glee!!!"