Did Rob Marshall think NINE was going to be the next CABARET?

[binau]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 5:16am

I haven't watched Nine yet, (it comes out in Aus on Thursday), but listening to the truncated Cabaret soundtrack, I have thought of this depressingly pathetic image of Rob Marshall and NINE:

* He thought the truncation of the NINE score would have the same effect as Cabaret.

* He thought NINE would sweep oscars and succeed Chicago , and see himself as a modern Bob Fosse

-[The claims about ripping off ALL THAT JAZZ might show he was definitely inspired]

But it and his dreams failed dismally - and I wonder if he'll ever direct a musical again.

I don't know, I just feel sorry for him - he must be so disappointed.

Updated On: 1/18/10 at 05:16 AM

[After Eight]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 6:52am

If not the next "Cabaret," then probably the next "Chicago."

"I don't know, I just feel sorry for him - he must be so disappointed."


He must be, but then, so were those hoping to see a good screen version of "Nine."

[dramamama611]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 7:11am

Disappointed, sure. But he's probably already on to a half a dozen other projects and isn't too concerned at all.

I don't feel bad for people that get paid the way we pay actors and directors and the like. Would they make more if it were successful? Yup....but the money is still flowing with a flop.

[snarkywannabedreamer]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 3:51pm

Everybody goes into every project hoping it will be better than their last. And the movie business is such a collaborative machine with so many cooks in the kitchen it's hard to know exactly why Nine didn't work as well as it should have. Rob is a talented filmmaker and believe me, Nine wasn't such a failure that he won't work again. (it was nominated for a Golden Globe) I wouldn't worry about Rob Marshall's future. He will do just fine.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 4:26pm

Yep, he's got Pirates of the Caribbean 6 to direct! Let's see if he ever gets money to direct anything else.

He's only directed on other movie besides Chicago and Nine (and it was another clunker), so I wouldn't be too optimistic that Rob Marshall and his big bag of hubris are going to be trailblazers of the American cinema any time soon.

[muscle23ftl]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 5:51pm

He is rich, why would you feel sorry for him?
He actually should give anyone that pay to see Nine the money back, and even after that, he'd still be rich.

[AwesomeDanny]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 6:04pm

"* He thought the truncation of the NINE score would have the same effect as Cabaret."

For me, it did have the same effect--In both, there were so few songs that to wonder why they were really musicals, more so with Cabaret. I much prefer the stage version.

[Pgenre]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 6:10pm

Whatever he thought, he thought wrong.

Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very wrong.

P

[DAME]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 6:32pm

You are all so mean and vicious. The movie sucked. But why wish ill on anyones career? What a bunch of cyber yentas.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 6:53pm

We love you, Damey!

And no one is wishing ill on him. Maybe wishing he no longer makes movies, but that's for the greater good!

[DAME]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 7:18pm

I hated Nine, loved Chicago , enjoyed Geisha for what it was, and preferred his version of Annie. Hopefully the best is yet to come.

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 7:22pm

Thank you, Dame.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 7:30pm

I loved Chicago till he remade it as Nine, liked Annie and think that saying you enjoyed Geisha for what it was is a nice way of saying that even you admit it wasn't very good. I also think he should learn about wide shots.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 7:32pm

All I ask is that he not be within 1000 yards of any Follies movie.

[DAME]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 7:44pm

Compared to the book Geisha was just ok. But I do agree.. he should learn about wide shots... and I think his casting choices ( or what has been forced on him) have been mixed. But I don't get the bashing. These musicals are hard to make and there are not to many directors interested.

Updated On: 1/18/10 at 07:44 PM

[MusicSnob1]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 7:56pm

"These musicals are hard to make and there are not to many directors interested."

Then don't make them.

There. Done.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 8:04pm

Neither he nor Bill Condon should allowed anywhere near Follies.

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 8:50pm

There will be no Follies movie. So you have nothing to worry about.

[Pgenre]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 8:57pm

NINE: $80 mil budget/$16 mil B.O. = No FOLLIES film

Thanks again, Rob!

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 9:34pm

I never really believed there'd be a Follies movie anyway. But I didn't start forcasting the death of the movie musical just because Nine flopped.

I don't think anyone has been more negative than best12bars who has fretted about what Rob Marshall and Nine will do to movie musicals in perpetuity since the damn movie opened. And he LIKED Nine! I guess that's his justification? I don't know what Dame's is. But whatevs. Who am I to tell someone to lighten up?

I liked Phantom of the Opera a lot, but I don't pretend it was some sort of artfully made movie by any means. THAT's a movie I'd say I like for what it was!

[dayao]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 9:52pm

I'm sure he didn't think it would turn out to be the next "Heaven's Gate".

[nealb1]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 11:46pm

So because you found some similarities in "Nine" with "Cabaret," that means that Rob Marshall thinks his film is like "Cabaret?"

HUH????? Trying to follow the logic here.......

[binau]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 11:53pm

I never said the 'films' were similar, I mean in terms of him thinking the success of NINE being similar to Cabaret.

But I did make a stronger claim, that I realise that has *no* basis, that Marshall had no reservations cutting the score significantly or using Bob Fosse-inspired choreography because CABARET was a precedent for success.

I'm half-trolling anyway, so I'm not going to defend myself to the grave :P. Basically, I just think it's depressingly funny/pathetic how well Marshall probably thought NINE would go, and how it actually 'went'.

Oh and DAMES, up until that point (as mentioned) I don't think anyone has wished 'ill' on his career at all, just making observations and predictions. I'm not sure why some of you over-read things.

Updated On: 1/18/10 at 11:53 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 11:54pm

Lol.

[sabrelady]

Posted: 1/18/10 at 11:59pm

Directors LOVE to try different genres -showcases's their versitility their multi faceted talents and abilities. They get to show off- period. After Chicago's success a lot of both A and B lister directors (Rodrigues for one) expressed interest in adding the genre to the knotches on their viewfinder.

IN The Heights is coming and it will break the jinx.