Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
#1Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 12:33am
With all the press and hoopla about the newest Rose on the block... the memories of my definitive Rose keep pushing themselves to the forefront.
Of course, would Rose do anything but push?
I was in Los Angeles at the time when my best friend and I decided to drive downtown to see Cagney or Lacey.. in GYPSY. We figured the stunt casting would be terrible.. I mean.. Tyne Daly? please! But we couldn't pass up a class "A" production of a legendary show.
We got insanely great orchestra seats for $6.00. No lie. And sat down to endure that TV actress.
Little did I know.. how could I?... that I was a about to witness a performance that has stayed with me till this very day. I can almost remember every choice.. every detail.
I was electric with the sensation of being fully PRESENT for that performance. I absorbed every minute. I was on that stage with them. I was every character.. but mostly.. I was Rose. I was her drive,rage, pain, charm, triumph, ruthlessness.
The distance and sense of separation that can come from "diva worship" played NO part with this Rose.
That would be too easy.. too cheap.. This Rose was tough.. she didn't give a damn about whether you knelt at the altar of Daly.... but, somehow, as a result, you liked her, you admired her guts. You secretly wished you had that drive too.
Like the cut song says.. "Nice, she aint"
I once wrote this about her singing:
My ultimate Rose is Tyne Daly. Hands Down.
There are two schools of thought on Rose's talent. She is either VERY talented and frustrated that she is not acknowledged as a performer... or she is has limited talent but mammoth drive that she transfers to making a career for her children.
I think the later is the more interesting choice. Daly's vocal limitations at odds with her fierce determination was just the right combination to dynamically say something about the character's over-reaching tendencies.
I still believe that.
So.. what is that rant all about? I don't know. Maybe my little way of keeping alive a performance that pulled no punches, asked for no love.. but gave you everything in return.
I truly, Truly, TRULY wish that each and everyone one of you have at least one such performance to cherish, remember and grow with in your life.
BFB
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Updated On: 6/11/08 at 12:33 AM
#2re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 12:35amThe clips of her acting that I've seen are AMAZING. It's a shame her vocals were so terrible, they are pretty grating.
#2re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 12:36am
Rose is grating.
But I'm not here to defend Daly. I don't need to..like the title says... this is an appreciation.
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Updated On: 6/11/08 at 12:36 AM
#3re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 12:48am
I really enjoyed reading your "Appreciation", BFB!
I wish I could have seen Ms. Daly in "Gypsy". I love the show and I've always loved her in anything she does. It sounds like one of those legendary experiences.
Also, you said:
-- "I truly, Truly, TRULY wish that each and everyone one of you have at least one such performance to cherish, remember and grow with in your life."
What an incredibly kind sentiment. Thank you for that!
#4re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 12:51am
I guess your first Rose is your favorite and Tyne Daly is mine. I saw her in it here in Pittsburgh on it's way to Broadway and I was astounded. Her "Everything's Coming Up Roses" blew me away.
A few months later, I was in New York and saw it again and it was still phenominal.
And a part of it was the surprise factor, you expect Patti and Bernadette and Angela to be able to handle Rose because they do musicals. Tyne came out of nowhere and did this. Many kudos go to Fran Weissler who saw Tyne sing on the short lived Dolly Parton show and kept her in mind when they were planning therevival.
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#5re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 12:52am
She seems like an actress worthy of lead billing and from the small exposure I've had of her Rose, she must have been breathtaking.
#6re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 1:47am
Just found this re-print of an article from a 1989 PEOPLE magazine.
Wow!!! Daly was chomping at the bit to play this role. Never knew.
Love her confidence and goal she set of being THE Rose of her generation.
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/tyne/gypsy.html
I think she succeeded.
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Updated On: 6/11/08 at 01:47 AM
#7re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 2:22am
I have only seen clips, (probably commercials) of Tyne in this part but she looked great. She is a wonderful and sincere actress who I have admired for a long time.
I agree that not every part requires the greatest of singers. Not every person sings that well. Depends on the role and how well the character comes off to me. If they can become someone else and convince me of that, I'm impressed by it.
I hope so, too, that everyone has had the opportunity to be overwhelmed by a stage production. I have been several times. I hope to feel that way again in the future. It's such a great feeling to see people at their very best. I am happy to be a part of making all of that real just by sitting in the audience and enjoying the show.
#8re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 5:29am
My favourite by far and I've seen a few. Simply knocked you out.
She was all set to bring that production to London and then Sadam went and invaded Kuwait.
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!''
Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
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#9re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 8:13amHer acting was superb, and I really did love her Everything's Coming Up Roses.
#10re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 8:46amNever got to see Ethel or Angela in the role, saw Bernadette, haven't seen Patti, yet. Tyne Daly is Rose to me. I can't put it as elegantly as BFB, but it was a performance I will never forget.
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#11re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 8:51amBFB was spot on with my feelings of the production!
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!''
Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#12re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 9:11am
BFB---I saw it here in L.A. too, pre-Broadway, just like you!
I was a box office manager in town back then, and scored house seats.
Tyne (and the entire production) blew me away. Your description of it brought back those wonderful memories. Thanks for the post!
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#13re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 9:26am
Count me as a rider on the Tyne/Rose bandwagon, too. I saw her do the role twice in NY, and each time she was f'ing brilliant. I've gotta say: she scared me to death during "Roses". I have never seen a mad scene like that, before or since.
I also saw Linda Lavin when she replaced Daly. OMG... that was painful -- I almost walked. One of the odd things about her (and there were many) is she kept slipping in and out of accents! One scene she'd sound irish, the next she'd be lower east side, the next it was long island jew... and then sometimes, all of them would appear at once! She was a trainwreck.
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#14re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 9:59am
I wish someone would have the good sense to bring a production of Ballroom back to Broadway with her as Bea. I've heard her do "Terrific Band" and "Fifty Percent" and she was almost more earthshattering than Dorothy Loudon was.
Of all the Rose's I have missed, Tyne is the one I wish I could go back and see live.
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#15re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 10:40amTyne was glorious in the role...and the recording does NOT do her justice. Even with her vocal limitations, it was a performance not to be missed, and one of the best I've ever seen, and only LuPone surpasses her in the role, imo. Her chemistry with Hadary was electric. Her Rose's Turn was wonderful (when she grabbed for roses...yikes!)
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#16re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 11:28amIt sounds likeher performance benefitted from her not being associated with musicals or "diva" roles. I wish I could have seen it.
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#17re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 1:45pm
She was the best Rose I've seen, and Merman is the only one I've missed.
Lavin is usually so good, but no one seemed to like her as Tyne's replacement. No one.
#18re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 5:05pmsondheimboy, I'm sure Fran would love to take the credit and probably has, but it was actually Barry Brown who saw Tyne sing on the Dolly Parton variety show and brought the idea to the Weisslers, who then co-produced GYPSY with him.
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#19re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 5:14pm
I saw that production nine times and her performance still stays with me. I also found that the production with Tyne had more laughs in it than the present revival.
As much as I liked the present revival, I prefer the Tyne version more.
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#20re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 5:58pm
Thanks for the post BFB. I love to hear tributes like this.
Daly is such a powerhouse performer. Is she doing any TV now. She got such acclaim from this role, I would think it wouldn't take too much coaxing to get her back on stage.
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#21re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 6:38pmThe non-existent bootleg I saw was phenomenal...she took a whole new spin on Rose that worked exceptionally well. She was a real force to be reckoned with and I just wish I would've seen it live.
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#22re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/11/08 at 9:37pmA real error was made in filming "Gypsy" for television and not casting Tyne only a year after her production had been on Broadway. She was a huge TV star, who'd won a Tony for playing the role on Broadway. Did they think people wouldn't watch? Midler was just Midler. Tyne was Mama Rose.
#23re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/12/08 at 12:52am
The Other One, I know!!!
It would have been a thousand times better with her instead of Bette Midler. And that fact that it was done by her "Cagney and Lacey" network. I felt insulted for her.
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#24re: Tyne Daly's Rose: An Appreciation
Posted: 6/12/08 at 4:41amI totally agree. I love Bette Midler, but she was not a good choice for that role. She was acting like her characters in Ruthless People, Big Business, and Outrageous Fortune. Her finest moment was in "The Rose" and "Beaches"- good choices for her. Tyne Daly should have been asked.....
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