The question that I am asking myself is this. Where did musicals go in the first place?
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I mean, obviously in the grand scheme of things musicals are and always have had a presence... but are you all really arguing that the popularity of musicals (even watered-down, bad musicals like High School Musical) among the tween age group, who made the second HSM the highest-rated movie ever shown on TV, hasn't had a large effect on musicals regaining a cultural relevance they haven't had in recent decades?
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Next, maybe Zac will think he was the cause of it.
When will these kids go away?
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Agree entirely, scott. I was really brought into the world of musicals by Rent, my interest in which, in turn, led me to discover more and better musicals. It just takes something populist like High School Musical to get them in the doors, where they learn that, hey, it's okay for people to burst into song. Without High School Musical, would Hairspray have been the success it was on film? Without megahit movie musicals like Hairspray, would we have gotten film adaptations of more "artistic" musical fair like Sweeeney Todd or Nine?
High School Musical is garbage, but Zac is right. That garbage is giving musicals cultural relevance that the genre hasn't seen in decades.
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"Zac Efron dropped out of the "Footloose" remake last week. The "High School Musical" actor (shown here at Thursday's London premiere of "17 Again") reportedly told the studio that he's not interested in doing another musical right now."
So much for 'bringing back the musical".
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The question that I am asking myself is this. Where did musicals go in the first place?
They were deliberately killed by the Hollywood studio systems as new young hot shot producers took over and resented all the awards going to "old fashioned" musicals like MY FAIR LADY and SOUND OF MUSIC. The studios liked these big cash cows and wanted more, so the producers set out to overspend lavish budgets on bloated turkeys: STAR!, PAINT YOUR WAGON, CAMELOT, DOCTOR DOOLITTLE, MAME... to look at these you have to wonder who thought any of these were good or even entertaining? They were big expensive failures because they were lousy movies, not because audiences were no longer interested in musicals. By the late 1970s musicals were passé. GREASE brought them back. Oh we can't have that so along came SGT PEPPER and THE WIZ and CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC and ANNIE and BEST LITTLE WHOREHOUSE to make sure that coffin was nailed ****.
Now with the success of CHICAGO, HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL and others the genre is still kicking but let's be clear, the core audience fro movie is teen boys and they don't buy musicals. Their girlfriends may and they will maybe go along. But when films like BATMAN rule the box office you see where the big money goes.
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So teenage boys helped Sex and the City make $150 million domestically?
Fine, we'll stick to musicals: Chicago- $170 million Mamma Mia!- $144 million Hairspray- $118 million Dreamgirls- $103 million High School Musical- $90 million
Teenage boys? I don't think so. And you can go on about Batman all you want, but I don't think anyone was expecting any of these movies to earn $600 million dollars at the box office. That said, those are all some serious dollar amounts for any movie, let alone a musical!
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Hate him all you want, but HSM DID make a change in YOUNGER kids and their views on MUSICALS. Kids are simply NOT exposed to the genre as they once were. HSM put it pack in their reach and on their radar.
Having been teaching/directing at the middle school level when this came out, I can attest to the rise in both MALE participation in Drama Class as well as participation in our schools musical....and it hasn't yet waned.
Also: the statement was made to an auditioruim full of KIDS. He was talking to them. THEY gave him the award, sowhat is so wrong to pumping them up?
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Much as it may offend your "I've been into musicals since FOREVER, they never went ANYwhere!" snobbishness, the kid isn't exactly wrong. High School Musical is an effective gateway drug for young kids. They see it, they love it, they think Zac's cute, they rent Hairspray, and it just all goes from there. I'm currently working on getting my niece into theatre, and it wouldn't be anything *like* as easy if she didn't love the HSM franchise. Just because it's not Sondheim doesn't mean there isn't room for it. Get over yourselves, and be glad that while some kids will think it's the best thing ever and never get any further into musical appreciation, others will. :P
Perhaps if High School Musical had decent songs, I might give it more credit. I did not find it good on any level. At least Can't Stop the Music has camp value and is a tad bit entertaining. I wonder how many kids watching HSM would ever dream of watching An American in Paris, Gigi, My Fair Lady, Oliver, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, etc?
Many of my friends don't enjoy musicals because they don't understand why people burst into song and dance and say it is not realistic.
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