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Obama on 'mos#1
Posted: 2/28/08 at 3:57pm
Here you go folks!

"Senator Obama just released an open letter concerning LGBT equality in America, reaffirming his steadfast commitment to equal rights for ALL Americans.


Im running for President to build an America that lives up to our founding
promise of equality for all a promise that extends to our gay brothers
and sisters. Its wrong to have millions of Americans living as second-class
citizens in this nation. And I ask for your support in this election so that
together we can bring about real change for all LGBT Americans.

Equality is a moral imperative. Thats why throughout my career, I have fought to eliminate
discrimination against LGBT Americans. In Illinois, I co-sponsored a fully inclusive bill that
prohibited discrimination on the basis of both sexual orientation and gender identity, extending
protection to the workplace, housing, and places of public accommodation. In the U.S. Senate,
I have co-sponsored bills that would equalize tax treatment for same-sex couples and provide
benefits to domestic partners of federal employees. And as president, I will place the weight of
my administration behind the enactment of the Matthew Shepard Act to outlaw hate crimes and
a fully inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act to outlaw workplace discrimination on the
basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.


As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full
equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best
way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not
stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and
lesbian couples whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage.
Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal
only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not
discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I
have also called for us to repeal Dont Ask, Dont Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting
American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as
married couples in our immigration system.


The next president must also address the HIV/AIDS epidemic. When it comes to prevention,
we do not have to choose between values and science. While abstinence education should be
part of any strategy, we also need to use common sense. We should have age-appropriate sex
education that includes information about contraception. We should pass the JUSTICE Act to
combat infection within our prison population. And we should lift the federal ban on needle
exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. In addition, local
governments can protect public health by distributing contraceptives.

We also need a president whos willing to confront the stigma too often tied to homophobia
that continues to surround HIV/AIDS. I confronted this stigma directly in a speech to
evangelicals at Rick Warrens Saddleback Church, and will continue to speak out as president.
That is where I stand on the major issues of the day. But having the right positions on the issues
is only half the battle. The other half is to win broad support for those positions. And winning
broad support will require stepping outside our comfort zone. If we want to repeal DOMA, repeal
Dont Ask, Dont Tell, and implement fully inclusive laws outlawing hate crimes and discrimination
in the workplace, we need to bring the message of LGBT equality to skeptical audiences as well
as friendly ones and thats what Ive done throughout my career. I brought this message of
inclusiveness to all of America in my keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention. I talked
about the need to fight homophobia when I announced my candidacy for President, and I have
been talking about LGBT equality to a number of groups during this campaign from local LGBT
activists to rural farmers to parishioners at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, where Dr. Martin
Luther King once preached.


Just as important, I have been listening to what all Americans have to say. I will never compromise
on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans. But neither will I close my ears to
the voices of those who still need to be convinced. That is the work we must do to move forward
together. It is difficult. It is challenging. And it is necessary.


Americans are yearning for leadership that can empower us to reach for what we know is possible.
I believe that we can achieve the goal of full equality for the millions of LGBT people in this
country. To do that, we need leadership that can appeal to the best parts of the human spirit.
Join with me, and I will provide that leadership. Together, we will achieve real equality for all
Americans, gay and straight alike.


Barack Obama"



An Open Letter to the LGBT community
Updated On: 2/28/08 at 03:57 PM
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re: Obama on 'mos#2
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:13pm
Does that differ from Hillary's stances?
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re: Obama on 'mos#2
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:14pm
Now if he would only help the Larrys and the Curlys and the Shemps.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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re: Obama on 'mos#3
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:22pm
"Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) "

Did ya miss that jerby?


EDIT: We'll leave Shemp and Larry and Curley Joe to the GOP--we will take Curley though.
Updated On: 2/28/08 at 04:22 PM
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re: Obama on 'mos#4
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:36pm
Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage:

Clinton opposes gay marriage but supports civil unions between members of the same sex. During her husband's administration, she supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a law preventing the federal recognition of same-sex marriage. "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman."
- Hillary Clinton, The New York Daily News.


to be fair to Hillary she may have changed her position recently so i'd definitely like to hear what she has to say if she feels differently now...

i cant tell you how dissapointed i am at the lack of discussion of same sex marriage at these debates... health care is very important but we know where the candidates stand on that issue already... lets hear more about gay marriage.
Updated On: 2/28/08 at 04:36 PM
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re: Obama on 'mos#5
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:37pm

Updated On: 3/3/08 at 04:37 PM
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re: Obama on 'mos#6
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:38pm
Yeah, it is amazing how that woman in that marriage to that man can get all highfalutin about the High Moral Imperative of Marriage.

It's even more disturbing how an African American man is willing to impose Separate But Equal status on a minority.
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re: Obama on 'mos#7
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:39pm
You know, Bill Clinton said pretty much the same thing when he first started, about getting gays into the military, and we all know how well THAT worked out.
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re: Obama on 'mos#8
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:40pm
As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full
equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best
way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not
stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and
lesbian couples whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage.


But what about immigration? You know, the federal recognition required for international gay couples to allow their partners to acquire a Green Cards so they can live together? The states can't do anything about that and it is conveniently never addressed by any of the candidates.
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re: Obama on 'mos#9
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:47pm
The only one who says exactly what "we" want him to say is Dennis Kucinich.

"But what about immigration? You know, the federal recognition required for international gay couples to allow their partners to acquire a Green Cards so they can live together? The states can't do anything about that and it is conveniently never addressed by any of the candidates. "

True, but how many people can that affect? I mean, no politician can correct every single wrong--there simply isn't enough time in the day. We have to make the big strides before we can manage the smaller injustices.
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re: Obama on 'mos#10
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:48pm
roscoe-- we have to claim progress no matter how infinitesimal.

neither Obama nor I is gay to my knowledge but i think his open letter to the glbt community is downright revolutionary.

there's no ambiguity in his position, states rights notwithstanding.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
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re: Obama on 'mos#11
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:50pm
It doesn't mean he'll actually do a thing if elected. It smacks of pandering now that he might actually have a shot at getting the nom.
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re: Obama on 'mos#12
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:54pm
Cause pandering to the gays is a sure-fire way to get elected...sheesh...

We can't even get all the gays to vote the same party! It's hardly a substantial coalition.
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re: Obama on 'mos#13
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:56pm
"It doesn't mean he'll actually do a thing if elected. It smacks of pandering now that he might actually have a shot at getting the nom."

Agreed but what's the alternative?
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
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re: Obama on 'mos#14
Posted: 2/28/08 at 4:58pm
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re: Obama on 'mos#15
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:00pm
"It doesn't mean he'll actually do a thing if elected. It smacks of pandering now that he might actually have a shot at getting the nom."

I agree 100%.
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re: Obama on 'mos#16
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:03pm
So then don't vote for him. See what you get from the Hillary or McLovin.
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re: Obama on 'mos#17
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:06pm
Obama and Hillary both believe that "marriage" is only for heteros.

Here's Hillary from this past August:

"I believe that DOMA served a very important purpose. I was one of the architects in the strategy against the Federal Marriage Amendment to the constitution, and DOMA gave us a bright line to be able to hold back the votes that were building up to do what I consider to be absolutely abominable and that would be to amend the constitution to enshrine discrimination.

"I believe marriage should be left to the states. I support civil unions as I've said many times with full equality of benefits and so I think that DOMA appropriately put the responsibility in the states where it has historically belonged and I think you're beginning to see states take action. Part three of DOMA needs to be repealed because part three stands in the way of the full extension of federal benefits and I support that."
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re: Obama on 'mos#18
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:09pm
Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal
only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not
discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I
have also called for us to repeal Dont Ask, Dont Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting
American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as
married couples in our immigration system. "

Boy, there are none so blind as those who cannot read.
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re: Obama on 'mos#19
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:10pm
He can SAY whatever he wants...

Doesn't mean he's going to do it.
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re: Obama on 'mos#20
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:17pm
Isn't that true of everyone though?
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re: Obama on 'mos#21
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:18pm
Yes it could, but there are some people who are just saying whatever they need to say to get elected.
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re: Obama on 'mos#22
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:25pm
Sorry, Obama, I can't vote for someone who tells me to my face that I'm not good enough for marriage.
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re: Obama on 'mos#23
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:26pm
Talk is cheap. Clinton talked a good game and gave us Don't Ask Don't Tell and DOMA.
Sure Obama might support a repeal of DOMA but doesn't mean it is gonna happen.
You will not hear much about Gay Marriage in Democratic debates. I do believe it was one of the main reasons George W was re-elected in 04. The Dems want to win this one!
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re: Obama on 'mos#24
Posted: 2/28/08 at 5:28pm
Also, an 'Open Letter" is one thing, it's a whole DIFFERENT game to actually stand in front of a group of non-gays and say the same thing.

When he does, then I'll listen.
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