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Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?

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Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#1
Posted: 1/13/08 at 10:46pm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1142966/
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46213

I haven't seen this discussed here. Good idea or no?

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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#2
Posted: 1/13/08 at 10:48pm
lol.

I'm loving the idea.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#2
Posted: 1/13/08 at 10:51pm
PLEASE say that there is a Jabberwocky cameo at least, Tim Burton would make that so awesome
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#3
Posted: 1/13/08 at 10:56pm
He could bring out the darkness and grotesque characteristics of the piece, but could he bring out the whimsy, nonsensical charm and satirical humor of it as well?

That's where (almost) every previous version fails.

Without it, no matter how clever or inventive, it's basically dead in the water.

Could he succeed where so many others have failed?

(FYI, IMO the ONLY successful---and not entirely---version of this book is the Disney animated feature. All others come up far too short.)
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#4
Posted: 1/13/08 at 11:12pm
Oh god. After he managed to drain all of the charm and magic out of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory I'm dreading what he'll do to this. I hope it doesn't turn into another cold GCI acid trip.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#5
Posted: 1/13/08 at 11:15pm
Perhaps, whimsy does not translate to the screen.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#6
Posted: 1/13/08 at 11:22pm
BINGO, PJ. That's the big problem when doing this piece.

Disney ALMOST got it right, because they kept it light and moving forward rapidly. Didn't take it all too seriously. And let the writing resonate on its own, without a heavy hand to "help" it (which only kills it in the long run).

Poor Alice. She always seems to arrive back home D.O.A. in the movies.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#7
Posted: 1/14/08 at 12:24am
I adore Disney's version. And this could be incredible, but, as best, said...it'll be tricky.

I've actually never read the book. It's on my list.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#8
Posted: 1/14/08 at 1:26am
I love one of the top thread titles on the message board there:

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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#9
Posted: 1/14/08 at 9:18am
Why isn't DREAMCHILD on DVD?


Nothing will ever top Jan Svankmeijer's ALICE.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#10
Posted: 1/14/08 at 9:32am
Actually Disney got it all WRONG. It dumbed the book down just like it did to all its animations. The Disney version is only good if you are higher than a kite. Otherwise the bland animation and awful songs are better left unwatched.

Personally I think if anyone can get it right, Tim Burton can.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#11
Posted: 1/14/08 at 9:35am
Wrong.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#12
Posted: 1/14/08 at 10:56am
my favorite version is Randy Grief's.

but its just an audio epic, not a visual.


...& it takes at least 6 hours to listen to!
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#13
Posted: 1/14/08 at 1:30pm
"Oh god. After he managed to drain all of the charm and magic out of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory I'm dreading what he'll do to this. I hope it doesn't turn into another cold GCI acid trip."

Have you ever read Charlie and The Chocolate Factory? Burton's film was more faithful to the book than the Gene Wilder movie. The only thing that wasn't in the book was the way Depp played Wonka and the whole back story of Wonka. I thought it was fine.

He's doing this and he's also supposed to be working on a full length film of Frankenweenie.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#14
Posted: 1/14/08 at 5:23pm
I love disney's version of alice.

Worrell4077 ARE YOU KIDDING? In no part of charlie and hte chocoate factory did willie wonka delve into the mysteries of his past, explore the use of chocolat puppets, tear up wierdly if the word Dad/Papa is mentioned.

wonka was supposed to be a brilliant yet insane man. Not an overgrown child getting back at his dentist father for refusing him bedtime snackies.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#15
Posted: 1/14/08 at 6:03pm
"In no part of charlie and hte chocoate factory did willie wonka delve into the mysteries of his past, explore the use of chocolat puppets, tear up wierdly if the word Dad/Papa is mentioned. "

Yes, but in no part of the book did a sleazy candy competitor try to steal secrets from Charlie, did Veruca sing a song while stomping around golden geese, did Charlie and Grandpa Joe drink that bubble lifting drink, did they go down a freaky psychedelic tunnel where a chicken got decapitated, was Charlie's dad dead, did the Oompah-Loompahs look like walking carrots, etc. etc.

I wasn't fond of the Wonka backstory either, but I much prefer Burton's movie over the one from the 70's. Even as a kid I hated that movie.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#16
Posted: 1/15/08 at 11:37am
Dahl's Willie Wonka was a little old man with a goatee. The point is that he's old enough to be worrying about finding someone to take over the factory when he dies. Wilder and Depp were both 25 years too young.

Also, the Oompa-Loompas were written as African pymies - they look like they are made of chocolate. Unfortuntely, political correctness made that impossible.
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re: Tim Burton's 'Alice In Wonderland'?#17
Posted: 1/15/08 at 5:52pm
I never said I liked the other movie better. I hate them both. Neither one is a good representation of the genious that is Roald Dhal. If I had to choose between the two I'd choose the old one because it changed a whole lot of little details but stayed generally true to the basic story line while the new one has a lot of details from the book but a major "artistic change"
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