MUSIC MAN IN LAB- Page 2

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/24/20 at 7:10pm

darquegk said: "Dear Scott Rudin: ensemble sways right then left on slow numbers, and bobs up and down at the knee for the uptempo numbers. Featured dancers can Pennywise a little during the dance breaks.

There. Choreographed the whole show. See you in 2024."

Could you be any more insulting in 2020?

[Owen22]

Posted: 9/25/20 at 10:15am

HogansHero said: "and just to throw another layer of "no one knows" into the mix, today Cuomo has said that NY will do its own vetting of vaccines because we don'ttrust anything the current federal administration says or does.

In the last week, I have spoken to several doctors (friends, not as a patient) all of whom, separately, have said that there is no health care professional not speaking politically or commercially who thinksa level of vaccinationwill have penetrated to the extent that things will be "normal" again for another year."

My doctor, previous to Cuomo's message (which may be specious; I'm not sure a lot of the upstate public would easily go along with that) has said when the vaccine comes out he will not recommend his patients take it. He said the FDA and especially the CDC have been so politicized he doesn't trust either (which blows his mind he feels this way).

Also, why not stop continuingly raining on the parade of those hopefully thinking theatre will return by spring? You repost something alluding to this, or someone optimistically says something in that direction and it's HOW DARE YOU EVEN SORTA EVER THINK THEATRE WILL BE BACK BEFORE 2081???????

A lot of these scolds imply that the poster is stupid when they are only being merely, sweetly, hopeful.  It hurts no one to believe this.  Or most likely WANT to believe this. Cause it's probably not going to happen, but it's not hateful or childish or Trump Worshippy to think otherwise. 
 

Updated On: 9/25/20 at 10:15 AM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/25/20 at 11:56am

Owen22 said: "Also, why not stop continuingly raining on the parade of those hopefully thinking theatre will return by spring? You repost something alluding to this, or someone optimistically says something in that direction and it's HOW DARE YOU EVEN SORTA EVER THINK THEATRE WILL BE BACK BEFORE 2081???????

A lot of these scolds imply that the poster is stupid when they are only being merely, sweetly, hopeful. It hurts no one to believe this. Or most likely WANT to believe this. Cause it's probably not going to happen, but it's not hateful or childish or Trump Worshippy to think otherwise."

I do think it hurts folks. I don't think these people are stupid or trumpies, but I think we all need to have our expectations checked because I think that we have enough to be upset about other than having our false hopes repeatedly dashed. I miss the theatre more than most. I was reading an article the other day (I forget by whom) about our need to move from controlling the virus (something we seem pretty good at in New York) to living with it. It's a mental health issue. Another article I read (by an epidemiologist as I recall) explained our current situation by saying the virus does not have a brain and we cannot negotiate or reach compromises with it. This is a horrible time but imaginary short term horizon lines are not without harm. (We are free to disagree and I respect that.)

[Kimbo]

Posted: 9/25/20 at 12:00pm

Owen22 said: "My doctor, previous to Cuomo's message (which may be specious; I'm not sure a lot of the upstate public would easily go along with that) has said when the vaccine comes out he will not recommend his patients take it. He said the FDA and especially the CDC have been so politicized he doesn't trust either (which blows his mind he feels this way).

Also, why not stop continuingly raining on the parade of those hopefully thinking theatre will return by spring? You repost something alluding to this, or someone optimistically says something in that direction and it's HOW DARE YOU EVEN SORTA EVER THINK THEATRE WILL BE BACK BEFORE 2081???????

A lot of these scolds imply that the poster is stupid when they are only being merely, sweetly, hopeful. It hurts no one to believe this. Or most likely WANT to believe this. Cause it's probably not going to happen, but it's not hateful or childish or Trump Worshippy to think otherwise."

I have no idea if I'm one of the people you're calling a scold, but I feel it important to point out the contradiction between the two equally valid points you make - 1) that the situation has become so politicized that even your own doctor will recommend people don't take the vaccine and that he himself won't take it, and 2) that there's no harm in optimistically hoping that theater will return by spring.

Speaking only for myself, I've always been an optimist, and all my friends and family have always called me the most optimistic person they know.  But I'm also a realist, and someone who likes to be prepared for disappointment (not the same as hoping, wishing, or anticipating it).  If we look at your post, anyone will understand the problem, and it's a sad one.  Since all producers are tacitly acknowledging that Broadway as we know it (indoors, cramped seating, no social distancing) simply does not have any chance of reopening until a) there is a vaccine, b) that vaccine is widely distributed, and c) a MAJORITY of the population takes it.... but at the same time, since many doctors are recommending that for safety reasons their patients don't take a vaccine immediately after it is introduced (and your physician is hardly alone), and it will take up to a year after one is introduced for it to be safely distributed across the country... if we do a simple A + B = C calculation, then C = zero chance that Broadway returns by spring.

That's not speculation, pessimism or some kind of schadenfreude, it's just a grudgingly sad resignation borne of the facts at hand and common sense.  I can't wait for theater to come back, I can't wait to see all the shows, I can't wait to be at the Winter Garden next to all of you watching Hugh and Sutton.  But it won't be in the first half of 2020.  

People who think that it will are being, depending on one's view (and I see there's all kind of viewpoints in this thread) either sweet and hopeful, or more cynically, naive and delusional.  But no one's accusing them of being "hateful", and no one's talking about the year "2081";  some of us are simply reconciling ourselves to the fact that, like it or not (and believe me I don't), with Anthony Fauci publicly saying that Americans will be able to go to the theater once a vaccine has existed for "almost a year", it's a foregone conclusion that since there's no vaccine yet and since spring is less than 8 months away, it's just not going to happen by spring.  And saying so doesn't make me or anyone else a scold, a pessimist, or even any kind of naysayer:  it just means we're as frustrated as everyone else, but that we're watching the news, paying attention, and making peace with what's unfortunate but inevitable.  Onward and upward, and needless to say, hopefully sooner rather than later!