Trumpcare
Trumpcare
#2Trumpcare
Posted: 3/13/17 at 7:24pm
Suckers.
"Among those hit the hardest under the current House bill are 60-year-olds with annual incomes of $30,000, particularly in rural areas where healthcare costs are higher and Obamacare subsidies are greater.
"In nearly 1,500 counties nationwide, such a person stands to lose more than $6,000 a year in federal insurance subsidies. Ninety percent of those counties backed Trump, the analysis shows.
"And 68 of the 70 counties where these consumers would suffer the largest losses supported Trump in November."
LOS ANGELES TIMES: Trump voters would be among the biggest losers in Republicans' Obamacare replacement plan
#3Trumpcare
Posted: 3/13/17 at 11:41pm
The New York Times Opinion Section
The C.B.O. has called it as it sees it, and the picture is clear: Trumpcare would throw millions of Americans off their health coverage. And no amount of spin or scorn for the C.B.O. can alter that reality.
#4Trumpcare
Posted: 3/14/17 at 12:03pm
I'm desperately clinging to my belief that the vast majority of Trump supporters are not ignorant, or racist, or misogynist, etc. However, with approximately 40%-45% of Americans approving of the job he's doing, that's becoming an increasingly difficult position to defend.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg."
-- Thomas Jefferson
#5Trumpcare
Posted: 3/14/17 at 12:07pm
@madbrian
I'm always amazed and humbled by your unbridled optimism. I recently had to un-friend a few childhood frenemies on FB who've come out in full support of Trump for all the wrong reasons. Something about Trump's fake bravado and Bannon's playbook have completely emboldened them.
ETA: I can halfway tolerate one of their ism(s) that's partially directed at me but I won't tolerate their misogyny which rears its ugly head every time HRC's name surfaces.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
Updated On: 3/14/17 at 12:07 PM
#6Trumpcare
Posted: 3/14/17 at 12:29pm
@javero - thanks for those kind words. I've only had to un-friend one person on Facebook, and that was someone from my childhood whom I hadn't actually seen in over 30 years. I had actually talked her down from voting for Trump; she had switched to Johnson. Then, she went full-out racist on Obama, and I couldn't tolerate it any more.
For some folks, their politic leaning is as deeply ingrained as their religious beliefs, though I think few would admit it. And I think that can be true of folks across the political spectrum. I think what we're seeing here is unique in our history; Trump was able to embolden the worst of America, and create a coalition along with blind-faith GOP voters, coupled with palpable antipathy for HRC. I'm certain this wasn't his plan, and without the benefit of hindsight, it's not difficult to understand why no one saw this coming. I'd like to think this couldn't have happened on the left, but who's to say a different 'perfect storm' might not create a similarly bad outcome?
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg."
-- Thomas Jefferson
#7Trumpcare
Posted: 3/14/17 at 12:43pm
The political ramifications either way are bad for the GOP. Either the plan passes and vast numbers of his supporters lose their insurance and blame the congressional Republicans and Trump himself--or the plan fails to pass and the incumbent congressional Republicans experience a bloodbath in 2018.
Sic transit gloria 2016.
mar6411
Broadway Star Joined: 9/19/09
#9Trumpcare
Posted: 3/14/17 at 2:19pm
I don't know, Trump could say that Elizabeth Warren is a witch who has taken control of his mind, and the aforementioned 40-45% of the country would still believe it.
These are the same people who believe that Obama was spying on Trump during the campaign through a microwave oven, after all.
#10Trumpcare
Posted: 3/14/17 at 2:27pm
And say what you may about that 40-45%, but they vote. All the time. Midterms, local elections, etc., they vote. That's why it's essential to keep the energy around the resistance going.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg."
-- Thomas Jefferson
#11Trumpcare
Posted: 3/14/17 at 2:29pm
CNBC: Outrage over $400 million tax break for health insurance executives under Trumpcare.
The proposed tax break, buried in cryptic language in the Republican plan, would allow health insurers to more fully deduct the value of their executives' compensation on their taxes. That compensation can be as high as tens of millions of dollars, in the case of CEOs of insurers....
The CEO of UnitedHealth, Higgins pointed out, alone made $66 million last year.
sabrelady
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/16/03
lovepuppy
Broadway Star Joined: 12/7/05
#13Trumpcare
Posted: 3/15/17 at 3:24am
Madbrian -
What do you mean "no one saw this coming?"
Plenty of us saw that coming. A majority of Obamacare enrollees are in Trump-voting states and they voted against their own interests. *They* obviously didn't see it coming. The rest of us did.
May the bill get struck down.
Even Rand Paul just came out with a proposal this week that is much more...normal looking. Why is hardly anyone looking at *that* yet? After all, this other nonsense isn't even a "Health Care" bill. It's a tax bill with health care language. If they don't want a bloodbath--either by the Trump voters turning on them for ditching their health coverage or by the mid-terms--perhaps they'd be smart to look like heroes, strike down this first, er, thing, and then look at Rand Paul's proposal. (Not that I'm an advocate of Rand Paul. Just pointing out he seems to be the first GOP to put forth a "something better"--if they insist on framing it that way--that has normal English terminology that people can understand, with adjustments to what is currently the ACA. As opposed to the vague "something terrific" that's been touted for the past 2 years with no concrete language and as opposed to the current proposal that leaves 24 million without coverage.)
Btw, you can see EVERYTHING that EVERY congressperson proposes, and its status, on Congress.gov. Very interesting stuff (and in some cases, frightening, esp. if you look at Rep. Steve King from Iowa's record). Paul's proposal should be listed under "S. 222" if you go to the site and poke around.
The New World Order now is to call your Congresspeople--Senators and reps, and Paul Ryan's freaking DC office where the lines are often busy and his voicemail's often full--weekly. They work for *us,* don't forget. They can't pass this drivel if you threaten to vote them out of office if they do.
"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had the practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." --Alice in Wonderland
#14Trumpcare
Posted: 3/15/17 at 7:30am
Chaffetz must go...Damian Kidd for Congress
Phone calls, email, letter writing, and joining phone banks are all fine but it takes $$$$$ to uproot a firmly-entrenched incumbent with a bit of a God-complex. It's time for the rest of us to nationalize the Congressional races ala Koch brothers.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#15Trumpcare
Posted: 3/15/17 at 11:12am
The political ramifications either way are bad for the GOP. Either the plan passes and vast numbers of his supporters lose their insurance and blame the congressional Republicans and Trump himself
Realistically, they will find a way to blame Obama and Democrats. There is no reason to believe they would behave in any logical manner, especially when it comes to their own party. White supremacy, xenophobia, inexperience, incompetence...look at everything that has boldly and unapologetically come to light from the Republicans. Either their base supports them blindly out of stubborn and willful ignorance or they truly do want and support this looming unthinkable horror show that's slowly being delivered.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#16Trumpcare
Posted: 3/15/17 at 11:22am
"The mover on healthcare loses. To do something is to lose."
--James Carville (who's been there and lost that fight)
POLITICO: Republicans risk midterm meltdown: Republicans admit they’re growing increasingly concerned about falling into familiar political traps.
#22Trumpcare
Posted: 3/15/17 at 2:12pm
Can't you Trumpianites read? Or do you only read Breitbart--and Russian?
GOP scrambles after scorching health bill appraisal A Congressional Budget Office report is expected to make it harder to win over centrist Republicans.
White House tries to recover from CBO blow on health bill: Trump's allies are hitting the airwaves to insist the harsh score is not a devastating setback to the House GOP plan to replace Obamacare.
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Magdalicious
Chorus Member Joined: 2/10/17
