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Who you like 2020 Dems

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Who you like 2020 Dems#251
Posted: 2/12/20 at 1:04pm
Well, 1 article isn’t going to change my mind frankly. Moderates won’t go for Bernie, leftists are scared to get away from him. So who do we blame? If sanders keeps winning, and people are unwilling to join him, then that’s on the moderates. If it’s the other way, that’s on the Bernie supporters. Frankly, it goes both ways in my eyes.
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Who you like 2020 Dems#252
Posted: 2/12/20 at 1:20pm

I'm a Libertarian who will vote blue no matter who.  But, I'll share a few of my own unpopular views regarding the general election.

1. Bernie at the top of the ticket is a disaster waiting to happen up and down the ballot.

2. Bernie and Amy's approach to coalition building and their respective bases are incompatible lessening the likelihood of a Sanders-Klobuchar ticket.

3. Biden blew it; Amy needed him at the top of the ticket with a deal in place that he'd step down after serving out a term.

4. If Biden comes out of Nevada as damaged goods, the majority of my fellow African-Americans over the age of 50 will make a bee line to Bloomberg, without me of course.  AfAm boomers are pragmatic to a fault. For us, it's about winning g.d. elections.  Obama was not the first AfAm in history to have sought the Dem nomination, no better example than the charlatan known as Al Sharpton.

5. Buttigieg has peaked already and will be in the hunt for a vp nod, which he should decline and run for governor.  In 8 more years, he'll be the picture perfect age of 46.

6. Warren waited 4 years too long to run.  I supported Hillary but she was never an effective campaigner in any election cycle...period, full stop.

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Updated On: 2/12/20 at 01:20 PM
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Who you like 2020 Dems#253
Posted: 2/13/20 at 3:43am
I wish that Democrats would change the narrative around Bernie and not describe him as far left or extreme etc. but simply by world standards a standard fare progressive candidate. Hillary Clinton by UK/European standards was a conservative politician and would have been running as one outside the USA. Of course Bernie seems extreme next to that. It’s time for the USA to finally break free of the ultra conservative shackles it has been stuck with for far too long. Bernie, and perhaps Elizabeth Warren, appears to be the only ones capable of doing this. And the general election polls are still in favour of a Bernie presidency.
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Who you like 2020 Dems#253
Posted: 2/13/20 at 3:43am
I wish that Democrats would change the narrative around Bernie and not describe him as far left or extreme etc. but simply by world standards a standard fare progressive candidate. Hillary Clinton by UK/European standards was a conservative politician and would have been running as one outside the USA. Of course Bernie seems extreme next to that. It’s time for the USA to finally break free of the ultra conservative shackles it has been stuck with for far too long. Bernie, and perhaps Elizabeth Warren, appears to be the only ones capable of doing this. And the general election polls are still in favour of a Bernie presidency.
"Rose in Gypsy was like going through therapy for me. Playing Rose helped me put a lot of emotions to bed. There was so much lacking in Rose and that's why she had to prove herself through her children. [interviewer]In ways that reminded you of your mom?[/interviewer]. Let's just say the role was very interesting for me. That one was the most interesting [I've ever played]" - Bernadette Peters (2018)
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Who you like 2020 Dems#254
Posted: 2/13/20 at 7:40am
If another candidate were winning states and leading polls, would people be saying this is a disaster? He’s literally winning, people here just hate Bernie.
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Who you like 2020 Dems#255
Posted: 2/13/20 at 11:42am

Mike Barrett said: "If another candidate were winning states and leading polls, would people be saying this is a disaster? He’s literally winning, people here just hate Bernie."

Hillary got more votes in NH in 2016 than Bernie did in 2020. That's not something to be happy about. He tied in delegates and barely won the popular vote in a state where polls had him averaging an 7-8 point win.

The media narrative is now "Bernie is the front-runner" and that's more than sufficient for what the reality is. He's the front runner based on national polling, but, so far, he's not netting delegates against his opponents. If every contest comes down to 1-2% between Bernie and Amy/Pete/Joe/Bloomberg, he'll collect a plurality of delegates, but no where near the number needed to clinch the nomination-- then the moderates walk into Milwaukee, consolidate their support, and we have a ticket of two moderates. 

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Who you like 2020 Dems#256
Posted: 2/13/20 at 12:19pm

While yes his numbers are slightly down, idk how you can compare the 2 fields. He was 1 on 1 vs Clinton. He's facing like 8 other candidates here, 5 of which got actual decent % of the vote. There's simply more competition around him now for votes to be spread out, and he STILL won. I personally find that to be impressive. If he continues winning (and hopefully by more $) it just shows he has the strongest and most consistent base of any of these Dem candidates, which is what we will need to win 2020. If votes continue to be spread out against Pete, Amy, and Joe for a bit then the moderates are still undecided. But lets see how Nevada and SC shake out. 

My big thing is, and doesn't speak to everyone, I feel more people are voting FOR Bernie, which inspires turnout and excitement. People voting for Pete, Amy, or Joe are still relatively undecided heading into the voting booth, and the spread out of votes between them doesnt signal a unified base to me. Obviously they have their strong supporters, but you see what I'm saying. 

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Who you like 2020 Dems#257
Posted: 2/13/20 at 12:22pm

I'm not here to dampen anyone's enthusiasm for Bernie.  It's just that for several of us, this is hardly our first rodeo.  It also bears repeating that  US Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, a decorated Vietnam war veteran, easily won the Dem party nomination in 2004.  He and running mate John Edwards were annihilated by the incumbents Dubya and Cheney when much of the nation was vehemently opposed to Bush/Cheney's war in Iraq. Some major GOP fundraisers from Texas founded a tax-exempt political influence group that smeared Kerry's military service record relentlessly.  The smear campaign was so effective that the term "swiftboating" still resonates with voters of a certain age.

It could be argued that Barack Obama was slightly left of Bill Clinton, both being right of Jimmy Carter who only served one term.  I respect Carter and really admire Obama, but Bill Clinton was and remains a political mastermind.  The man resurrected the contemporary Democratic party.

Finally, the US has the right to self-determination. Nonetheless, if anyone insists on benchmarking the present US election cycle against foreign criteria, then please look no further than the 2019 UK general election in which Jeremy Corbyn's hard-left leaning Labour Party got its ass handed to it.  More grist for the mill is available at the link below.  Enjoy.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/21/the-demise-of-the-labour-party-and-the-future-for-uk-socialism/

ETA: It's tough to compare the records of Carter, Clinton, and Obama due to rapid changes in the political landscape in the years that link their presidencies. I'm left wondering how each would have tackled the challenges that the other two faced in their respective presidencies.

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Updated On: 2/13/20 at 12:22 PM
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Who you like 2020 Dems#258
Posted: 2/13/20 at 1:08pm

javero said: "I'm not here to dampen anyone's enthusiasm for Bernie. It's just that for several of us, this is hardly our first rodeo. It also bears repeating that US Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, a decorated Vietnam war veteran,easily won the Dem party nomination in 2004. He and running mateJohn Edwards were annihilated by the incumbents Dubya and Cheney when much of the nation was vehemently opposed to Bush/Cheney's war in Iraq. Some major GOP fundraisers from Texas founded a tax-exempt political influence group that smeared Kerry's military service record relentlessly. The smear campaignwas so effective that the term "swiftboating" still resonates with voters of a certain age.

It could be argued that Barack Obama was slightly left of Bill Clinton, both being right of Jimmy Carter who only served one term. I respect Carter and really admire Obama, but Bill Clinton was and remains a political mastermind. The man resurrected the contemporary Democratic party.

Finally, the US has the right to self-determination. Nonetheless,if anyone insists on benchmarking the present US election cycle against foreign criteria, then please look no further than the 2019 UK general electionin which Jeremy Corbyn's hard-left leaning Labour Party got its ass handed to it. More grist for the mill is available at the link below. Enjoy.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/21/the-demise-of-the-labour-party-and-the-future-for-uk-socialism/

ETA: It's tough to compare the records of Carter, Clinton, and Obama due to rapid changes in the political landscape in the years that link their presidencies. I'm left wondering how each would have tackled the challenges that the other two faced in their respective presidencies.
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Ya I think this is completely fair. Look I'm not shy about my support for Bernie, but im dead-set on getting Trump out of office. Even if that means voting for Bloomberg. That being said though, and as I've said we need to see the primaries play out more, if Bernie continues to win I really believe he's our strongest shot. Id expect some Warren votes to head his way sooner than later. Possibly same with Yang. I just feel Bernie having the strongest "base" to start out, adding in the democratic moderate base, I feel you have a really strong chance at winning the nomination. I live around many conservative and a few are willing to vote Bernie at this point. Clearly doesn't speak for everybody but idk I think people are truly done with Trump, at least more moderate conservatives are. 

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Who you like 2020 Dems#259
Posted: 2/14/20 at 4:54am
The UK Jeremy C comparison is not a fair one in my opinion - Bernie is much more inspiring as a candidate and the policies are completely different. Jeremy was promising years of delay to Brexit, which the public was not going to buy. Even non-brexiteers had enough. And he was plagued with accusations of being an anti-Semite.

But I take your wider point that many including myself might be naive and that good will and belief in a cause is just not enough to defeat trump.
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Who you like 2020 Dems#260
Posted: 2/14/20 at 11:53am

Happy Valentines Day!!!

The Hill is reporting out that Bloomberg has overtaken Biden and company in the mother of all swing states, Florida.  According to a new St Pete poll, Bloomberg takes the lead with a +10 point jump in a month's time versus a 15 point drop by Biden.  Deets at the link below.

Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

But, if you're impatient like me and want somebody, practically anybody, to connect all the dots for you, 270 to win juxtaposes pics of the top three in each of the remaining Dem party races here with the Florida predictions obviously meriting an adjustment.

#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
Updated On: 2/14/20 at 11:53 AM
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Who you like 2020 Dems#261
Posted: 2/16/20 at 10:21am
A Sanders nomination would give Trump four more years. Bloomberg is just stirring things up. Buttigieg keeps gaining steam and I like it. Let's see what happens come super Tuesday. Biden and Warren are done, IMO.
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