Am I the only one who seems to be turned off by the trailer from the already derivative-looking CLOVERFIELD? The New York setting, the explosion in the distance, people yelling "oh my GAAWD"? Does this not strike one as overly imagistic of a certain heartbreaking national tragedy of some six years ago? I hated Speilberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS for many reasons, chief among them the fact that I felt he used 9/11-ish imagery to put the audience into a tense and suspenseful place (having Dakota Fanning turn her cornflower blue eyes into the camera and intone in her best scared voice "Is it t-t-terrorists?" didn't help). But if the previews for CLOVERFIELD are any indication, WAR was a masterpiece of subtlety, this just looks tasteless and cheap. And derivative. And poorly acted. Am I just being sensitive and reading too much into good fun entertainment or has the world such a short memory span that 9/11 is great fodder for a scary monster movie? "If I could wish anything ...I'd wish a rep company on New York City. I think it's possible. I'd even summon the challenge to Mayor Bloomberg: Create a company of actors and give them a living wage. Not minimum wage. I'd lay down that gauntlet. I know that people say all the best actors have gone to L.A. for work, but that's bullsh*t. L.A. is the Medicis for today. They subsidize my art. Give an actor an opportunity to grow as an artist, and anyone worth their salt will jump on it." --Elizabeth Marvel

I don't know. From the previews, I didn't really associate 9/11 with it, despite the fact that it takes place in the City. I am just taking it as a run of the mill monster movie. But sometimes I am slow on the uptake when it comes to 9/11 parallels. "I'm an American, Damnit!!! And if it's three things I don't believe in, it's quitting and math."

I didn't get 9/11 from it at all. If anything, it is reminding me of the new Will Smith movie. Isn't it a monster doing all the damage in Cloverfield? Or some wolf like things? Just give the world Love.

I didn't get 9/11 from it - more a monster movie. But I can see where you're coming form Borstalboy. Side note - I'm curious about it, because I'm curious about anything from J.J Abrams (big time LOST fan here. Also dig Alias).

Thanks, Borstal, I got 9/11 INSTANTLY. By the 3rd viewing, I was pissed off. It's kind of the Rudy Guiliani of films, exploiting 9/11 while pretending it's about something else, you know, folks, just some sci-fi fun. Watch NY implode, explode and otherwise fall to ruin! But not the way it really happens, sillies! I'm a New Yorker, I was there on 9/11, and I remember being told such imagery would likely disppear from American films forever. I guess if this movie wasn't made, the terrorists win, huh? "I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Gary Shandling

i get it & it bugs the hell outta me. & i got the same thing from the will smith trailers. i want to make thngs that count - George, SUNDAY IN THE PARK WITH GEORGE

No, I take it as a monster movie a la Godzilla. I don't think they're using 9/11 imagery - it's just a monster attacking the city. Of course, one can always see the explosions and suffer upsetting flashbacks, but I think the best bet is to just take it for what it is. If it upsets you, don't see it - it'd be totally understandable. I personally am very excited and have been trying to figure out the clues!

Just asking, but, would it feel less 9/11 if it were set in a different city? "TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."

nope doesn't look anything like this does it? who cold insinuate such a thing about this movie? i almost puked when i saw that poster in the subway station at wall street. wall street!! r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel. ...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty pray to st. jude i'm a sonic reducer "life is way to short to worry about an unfriending." -- potter fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

Whatya mean "they're not using 9/11 imagery." Excuse me, explosions around the tops of NY skyscrapers, people fleeing across Manhattan. Falling debris. What 9/11 imagery are you thinking they avoided? Cheney in a bunker? If it doesn't bother you, great, your prerogative; but I think the associations are a little more immediate than Godzilla. "I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Gary Shandling

I don't know, Diva. But something about the handheld camera angles and the verite approach to the whole thing recalls 9/11 for me. The Will Smith movie didn't bother me that much. Filmmakers will use recent tragedy to underscore or bring depth to a scene. For instance, Arthur Penn said he used the idea of JFK's assasination for the overall effect of the last scene of BONNIE & CLYDE, with Warren Beatty's head coming apart much in the same way JFK's did. But that was integrated artfully and with no truly obvious references to the fact, it was its own thing. I truly find it hard to believe that the makers of CLOVERFIELD had no idea they were invoking the twin towers tragedy showing a New York skyline with a skyscraper partially exploding in fire while frightened New Yorkers watch helplessly from afar. "If I could wish anything ...I'd wish a rep company on New York City. I think it's possible. I'd even summon the challenge to Mayor Bloomberg: Create a company of actors and give them a living wage. Not minimum wage. I'd lay down that gauntlet. I know that people say all the best actors have gone to L.A. for work, but that's bullsh*t. L.A. is the Medicis for today. They subsidize my art. Give an actor an opportunity to grow as an artist, and anyone worth their salt will jump on it." --Elizabeth Marvel

yeah, but people would have said the same thing about movies like Independence Day or Godzilla if they came out after 9/11. But they didn't. But now, if one watches either of those films, especially I.D, the parallels would be there. It's all about perception, and I don't percieve Cloverfield to be a commentary on 9/11, though I understand if others do. "I'm an American, Damnit!!! And if it's three things I don't believe in, it's quitting and math."

what surprises me is how the media seems to be ignoring the inevitable outcry that will happen by people who obviously did see the connection between the two. I expect to see the headline: "J.J. Abrams: Terrorism propagandist?" or "J.J Abrams: secret al Queda operative" any day now. "I'm an American, Damnit!!! And if it's three things I don't believe in, it's quitting and math."

Y'all do realize that Godzilla was "cashing in" on the Atomic Bombs being dropped on Japan, don't you? Don't you? No good can possibly come from using this vast wasteland of error and deliberate deceit. You should get off of it and warn others away. You should make sure your children and grandchildren know what a corrupt and morally bankrupt institution it truly is.

I didn't really see the parallel, but that might come from not being a New Yorker. It just looks like another monster movie with Blair Witch Project undertones. Or not so under. What I always find funny is how disasters like these mostly happen in New York and LA. The rest of the country is pretty much spared. Do we find it appalling when they make earthquake movies that take place in LA? Celebrate Life Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted. - Randy Pausch

I don't think they purposely drew a parallel, but there is a parallel. We learned about this in our Multicultural Film class. Whenever there's a war, the film industry busts out these movies about GOOD versus EVIL. Look at the classic horror films and when they came out. Movies about something tangible and evil, with characteristics we can distinct, and Good overcoming them. McCarthyism started in the late 1940's and drove through the 50's. The Day the Earth Stood Still came out in 51'. Creature from the Black Lagoon came out in '54. Invasion of the Body Snatchers came out in '56. Plan 9 from OuterSpace came out in '59. What I'm noticing about OUR own horror movies for today, post 9/11, is that the ending isn't always happy. War of the Worlds-- they were defeated, but there are more out there. The Invasion-- again, defeated, but at what costs? When a Stranger Calls-- the girl is saved, but there's that ending. Notice how these are all REMAKES too, but with different spins to fit our own social standards. Bill Finn rocks. Woot.

Exactly, Pippin. Auggie, I mean, "9/11 imagery," is, unfortunately, explosions and other horrible things. It's a monster movie and it's hard to make a monster movie without explosions and people screaming and running. I seriously doubt (at least I hope it's not the case) Abrams is trying to capitalize on 9/11. Again, would it affect you as much if set in another city? Also, the explosions aren't around the tops of buildings. The big explosion is seen from the roof of a building, but the explosion itself comes from the street and blows upward.

I think Papa's poster comparison pretty much says it all. "If I could wish anything ...I'd wish a rep company on New York City. I think it's possible. I'd even summon the challenge to Mayor Bloomberg: Create a company of actors and give them a living wage. Not minimum wage. I'd lay down that gauntlet. I know that people say all the best actors have gone to L.A. for work, but that's bullsh*t. L.A. is the Medicis for today. They subsidize my art. Give an actor an opportunity to grow as an artist, and anyone worth their salt will jump on it." --Elizabeth Marvel

"Do we find it appalling when they make earthquake movies that take place in LA? " Actually, I get a little bit of joy whenever I see LA being destroyed, and I live here! "TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."

Actually, if you're speaking about the movie itself and not JUST the poster, I can see where the handheld camera aspect would make for comparisons. I just personally didn't get the instant connection.

Actually, I get a little bit of joy whenever I see LA being destroyed, and I live here yeah, diva- Volcano was one of the best movies, for that reason alone. (that and the fact that Anne Heche played it "straight" that year. ahhhhh, memories of the early 90's "I'm an American, Damnit!!! And if it's three things I don't believe in, it's quitting and math."

Looking at papa's posted pics, I don't think he's capitalizing on it, but rather referencing it directly. And unless I'm mistaken, his comment on it is that it's "MONSTROUS". There might be more to this flick than meets the eye.

They are using 9/11 imagery. The director of the movie has said so. He compares it to movies of the 50's (like Invasion of the Body Snatchers) using the fears of the cold war to scare people. I saw an extended sequence online where people are running from the debris of a collapsed building that looks like it was taken straight from a newsreel of 9/11. I have no problem with horror movies taking the fears of the day and using them to scare people. My problem with this movie is how SPECIFIC the images are. It's not alluding to anything...it's using very specific images to scare people. And I think it's cheap. "How come things that happen to stupid people keep happening to me?"..Homer Simpson

It really is an interesting argument. For instance, is something like Law and Order, which regularly draws from horrible incidents of people being murdered, raped, etc, and sometimes uses direct parallels and images, all right as opposed to using 9/11 imagery? It's just interesting to think of where the line should be drawn where you're using that as entertainment.

Since we're in the realm of conjecture, a hypothetical: The 'monster' is a multi-limbed or headed beast that grows more limbs/heads as you remove them. The instant societal response is to want to kill it, which only exacerbates the situation. It's only when someone attempts to find out WHY it's attacking that they find a way to become 'safe' again. There would be some serious questions raised that few have dared to approach in the period post 9/11. And Erik - INVASION is the first movie I thought of (the original.)