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does this exploit gay men??

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does this exploit gay men??#0
Posted: 5/28/03 at 11:46pm
there will be a new show on Bravo. It is like The Bachelor, but for gay men. There will be 15 guys going after the one bachelor. here is the catch thjough. the bachelor guy thinks that all of the contestants are gay, but some of them are not. what happens at the end if the guy he chooses is actually straight??
I also don't like the fact that they are not allowed to do more than kissing. it is like they are trying to tone down the 'gayness'.
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re: does this exploit gay men??#1
Posted: 5/28/03 at 11:50pm
I think it is wrong that they are asking that they do no more than kissing--such a double standard. But I bet it is so the str8 guys don't have to do more than kiss to convince the bachelor. It could be pro-gay interesting: examining stereotypes and sexuality. I hope it's no more exploiting than those other "love" reality shows out there. Too bad there HAS to be a twist!
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re: does this exploit gay men??#2
Posted: 5/28/03 at 11:50pm
I don't think it's right to put straight men on there. Also, why tone down anything? It's on cable...no one is forcing anybody to watch it. I think it would be interesting if they did a show like that with bisexuals; like make one a man or woman the bachelor or bachelorette, and have a mix of men and woman who are all openly bisexual, and see if they choose someone of the same sex or the opposite sex.
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re: re: does this exploit gay men??#3
Posted: 5/28/03 at 11:55pm
well, it is interesting to put str8 guys on there--just to see how badly they want that money. But, I would be surprised if any of those guys was 100% str8 given the entire context. Plus, lots of actors try to get on reality shows--why I have no clue! It probably worsens your chances based on the infamy.
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Posted: 5/29/03 at 12:06am
The only reality show I would ever even consider going on is The Amazing Race...and that's only because I would love to travel; I wouldn't care if it was televised or not. People are not as fake on that show.
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re: does this exploit gay men??#5
Posted: 5/29/03 at 12:35am
Why are we discussing moronic television programming on this site? This kind of dehumanizing and demeaning **** (there's no other word for it) that passes for entertainment on TV is the complete antithesis of everything theater should be and has no place on these boards. Surely the patrons of broadwayworld.com have more smarts, class and taste than to waste time on this lowest-common-denominator, bottom-of-the-barrel cheese.
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re: re: does this exploit gay men??#6
Posted: 5/29/03 at 12:40am
because BRAVO is supposed to be the filma nd arts network. Not the 'let's exploint gay men network'.

I wonder if there will be some 'normal' guys on the show or if the will all be b!tchy, screaming, nelly frustrated queens like their 'Fire Island' travesty -- i mean series. I though the Gay Wedding series was Ok though. Not great by any means however.
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More Broadway for Bravo#7
Posted: 5/29/03 at 12:56am
You know what would be a great series for Bravo.....Backstage of Broadway. Each week they can pick one Broadway show, either currently running or in-the-works, and get behind everything, show what really goes on, get interviews with the cast, etc.
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re: More Broadway for Bravo#8
Posted: 5/29/03 at 2:30am
That's an awesome idea Broadway Baby! Too bad they would rather jump on the trash reality series bandwagon!

And, I do, personally, separate the good reality series from the trash.

IMHO:

Good reality television: Survivor, Amazing Race, Trading Spaces, the Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, etc.

Trash reality TV: Jerry Springer (not the opera lol), Temptation Island, The Bachelor, Joe Millionaire, Fear Factor, Mr. Personality, etc. (you get the idea) lol

However, I have been guilty of watching some of the trash, but at least I acknowledge my Roman Colliseum tendencies! lol :)
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re: re: More Broadway for Bravo#9
Posted: 5/29/03 at 7:53am
Musicman, my sentiments exactly. All of these shows are exploitive in one way or another. they are completely mindless and ridiculous. I am amazed at the popularity that they've gained.

Theaterbaby, that is a great idea. If only Bravo or some other network would do it. That is a show I would be glued to every week. Now that Six Feet Under is ending it's third season, a backstage at Broadway show would be something to help me get through the withdrawl symptoms until season four begins.
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re: does this exploit gay men??#10
Posted: 5/29/03 at 9:19am
Something tells me this show may just take off..

And In terms of exploitation; Remember "The Bachelor" was basically making women out to be money hungry bimbos...or American Idol; where your berated for your lack of talent...

This is basically more romantic and less nasty in tone...

..so, the gay man picks the straight one...and leaves with a heavy heart..

There could be a sweetness to that...and if he picks a gay man, whoopee!!!!

I think thats a lot better than half of America thinking your a goldigging bimbo or that you can't sing...
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re: re: does this exploit gay men??#11
Posted: 5/29/03 at 9:35am
so I had a very well thought out answer to this thread and its now gone... nevermind..

Rob, did you know that if you leave the message sitting here, it refreshes itself in under 10 minutes? re: re: does this exploit gay men??
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re: re: re: does this exploit gay men??#12
Posted: 5/29/03 at 10:43am
okay, here comes a semi coherent version of the well thought out response I had earlier. I think all these reality shows exploit their contestants. Whether you're vying for the prize of marrying a millionaire, or eating a bug to advance to the next round, it's all exploitation. The Bachelor and some such shows I find to be worse though. You're playing with people's emotions and that's not right. Blind date or tail daters or shows of that nature is one thing... this is something completely different. In the end, someone's only gonna wind up getting hurt. I say just do away with them all.
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re: re: re: re: does this exploit gay men??#13
Posted: 5/29/03 at 11:14am
i know. eating a bug or doing stunts is bad enough, when you toy with a person's emotions... that is disgusting to me. I guess i am just a hopeless romatic so those things just seem evil to me.
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re: re: does this exploit gay men??#14
Posted: 5/29/03 at 11:28am
They are evil shows. Why would somone want to air their most intimate moments on tv? not to mention that it's all fake and mostly for the money... What I find really disgusting -- most of all from all the shows of this sort on TV now -- is the new show about to start with the girls vying for the heart of the man, knowing their going to get whatever insane sum of money... only he doesn't know there's any money involved. I find that to be really sick. What if he falls for the girl? What if she drops him after she gets the money? That's a horrible and evil thing to do to a person, quite frankly.
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re: re: re: does this exploit gay men??#15
Posted: 5/29/03 at 11:52am
I find it hard to believe that he doesn't know about the money; he has to know something. He could sue them in the end for not knowing the full details, or he may have signed something saying, "I am aware that there is a twist, although I do not know what the twist is. I do not hold the show responsible, etc."
Really, anyone who goes on these shows goes on knowing that they could be hurt or made the fool. I say, it's their own fault!
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re: re: re: re: does this exploit gay men??#16
Posted: 5/29/03 at 11:57am
That's is true -- but it's not entirely their fault. Execs know that some people will do anything for money and they use that to exploit them.

I think too, it all comes down to wanting your 15 minutes of fame... but who wants to be remembered for eating the most cow testicles or roping an unsuspecting millionaire to marry you only to divorce him and take him for all he's got later? Not I, not I.
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Didn't they ask the people on the other Bachelor not to do more than kissing? If not they didn't show anything other than that...did they? Sorry, I don't watch 'reality' shows that much. Got tired of them half way through the first Survivor.

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this one is by different producers so the rules are different. on the other one they shouw them dry ####### in a hot tub ALL THE TIME!!
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Dry humping? Are you serious!!? HAhahahahahahaha!!!! That's soo funny!!!

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First of all-those people who appear on these 'reality' shows are volunteering under their own volition. They know exactly what they're getting into. They seek this attention so I don't ascribe to the exploitation theory. The waiting lists to get on these shows are hundreds of thousands long.

As for the gay show-why have a few straight guys on there who are pretending to be gay? I know my gay male friends and they wouldn't be fooled by a straight guy pretending.
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Well yes, there's always that!
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what if...#23
Posted: 5/30/03 at 3:20pm
the gay guy falls for a straight guy and, while the straight guy plays along, he comes to discover that he has some feelings for a gay guy. and the world comes to understand that sexuality is far more fluid than we think it is. and the two live happily ever after. and more and more people realize that what we've been taught is cr@p and we can love whomever we want.

i love being an eternal optimist!

or it's just gonna be TRASH! either way, i'm watching!
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