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Tiger King#26
Posted: 4/3/20 at 12:27pm

AEA AGMA SM said: "Stage Door Sally said: "The series is a strange combination for sure. Exposing disturbing "Big Cats" players, with an over-the-top engaging PT Barnum character in the forefront. At the end, it was a relief to see some of the Big Cats ownersexposed for who they really are. I would like to see more of that in Season 2 and the end of Big Cats preserves in the U.S. So there could be an important upside to this series."

I mean, a lot of people thoughtBlackfishwould open people's eyes to what's going on at Sea World, and yet those orca shows were still being performed multiple times a day at their parks and they continue to hire and promote "trainers" with absolutely no background in marine biology.
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There's a lot of misinformation in Blackfish but breeding of Orcas has also stopped at SeaWorld so once the ones they have die out there won't be anymore. The "trainers" also don't get in the water with them anymore like they use to.

Their parks have started adding more roller coasters and rides since the shows are going to eventually be phased out. 

They also still do a tremendous amount of amazing work with rehabilitation and releasing so many animals but so many misinformed people think SeaWorld = bad. 

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Tiger King#27
Posted: 4/3/20 at 1:46pm
Every person profiled in the doc is a perpetrator-they abuse their power over vulnerable and disenfranchised people. It was nauseating. I don’t object to docs about imperfect people, what I object to is the making these people campy and fun, like they are John Waters characters. They are vile and the doc completely whitewashed the atrocities they commit on those wild sentient creatures. That’s part of the reason Joe Exotic is in jail. There’s nothing funny about any of them. Joe exploiting the poor and people in recovery also made me ill.

The only redeeming moment was at the end when Joe maybe experienced some remorse (or was he acting) that the two chimps he imprisoned in small cages for ten years were sent to a sanctuary and he saw how much they loved each other and nurtured each other. He seemed gobsmacked that these creatures experience such emotion and he seemed sad.

The whole thing put me off.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal "I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
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Tiger King#28
Posted: 4/3/20 at 4:30pm

Bettyboy72 said: "Every person profiled in the doc is a perpetrator-they abuse their power over vulnerable and disenfranchised people. It was nauseating. I don’t object to docs about imperfect people, what I object to is the making these people campy and fun, like they are John Waters characters. They are vile and the doc completely whitewashed the atrocities they commit on those wild sentient creatures. That’s part of the reason Joe Exotic is in jail. There’s nothing funny about any of them. Joe exploiting the poor and people in recovery also made me ill.

The only redeeming moment was at the end when Joe maybe experienced some remorse (or was he acting) that the two chimps he imprisoned in small cages for ten years were sent to a sanctuary and he saw how much they loved each other and nurtured each other. He seemed gobsmacked that these creatures experience such emotion and he seemed sad.

The whole thing put me off.
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I didn't find a single one of them funny or campy, I thought they were all utterly disgusting scumbags and only kept watching in hope that they'd all get what they deserved.

Hopefully the rest of them will one day.

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Tiger King#30
Posted: 4/21/20 at 2:40pm

I know I'm late to the party, but I just finished this over the weekend, and I have a lot of problems with it. My main problem is that I think the filmmakers were morally unscrupulous and did a real disservice to Carole Baskin by equating her with the likes of Joe Schreibvogel and Kevin Antle. The latter two are repugnant, exploitative cult leaders who breed, abuse, and cull animals when it suits them financially, and manipulate vulnerable, desperate barely legal teenagers into sexual relationships by plying them with drugs and/or attention. Baskin is running a legitimate, accredited cat rescue that is well-regarded by animal rights organizations, and has been advocating for ending the exotic animal trade. She is in no way equal to the other two. And yet, the filmmakers expertly edited and juxtaposed interviews, clips, and music to convey that she is just as morally bankrupt as the others.

The entire internet has erupted in "that female dog, Carole Baskin, killed her husband." She has received death threats and had drones flying over the rescue. There is no evidence she killed Don Lewis. This was an unfounded theory perpetuated by Schreibvogel and Lewis' ex-family. The man was likely implicated in the drug trade and likely offed by a cartel. He had a history of shady dealings (two non-U.S. passports in addition to his U.S. one, buying planes with cash, flying without a license, regular trips to Costa Rica for "business" and prostitutes, etc.), picked Baskin up on a street well-known for prostitution, took advantage of his 14-year-old first wife and dumped her and his family like an old handbag, unscrupulous breeding practices, etc. He could have died any number of ways, considering how recklessly he lived. Schreibvogel is documented with actually attempting to get a hired hit on her, sexual exploitation of three men young enough to be his sons, animal abuse, and exploitation of his workers. Yet, I don't see anywhere near as much hatred lodged against him. Or Antle.

This documentary's popularity seems to be predicated entirely on allowing people feel superior to the human trash on display here. I've come across so many self-satisfied people acting like "Carole Baskin definitely killed her husband" as if this was some realization they came to on their own. No, you didn't come to that conclusion on your own: you only think that because this reality show literally spoon-fed you that theory with basic cable-level editing. It's a toxic freak show of a series that's the work of people who have no moral scruples about anything, including the animals. I was really disappointed how little this series seemed to care about the animal abuse in these parks, but given their flippant, one-sided treatment of Baskin's efforts to have these parks closed, I shouldn't be surprised.

Updated On: 4/21/20 at 02:40 PM
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Tiger King#31
Posted: 4/21/20 at 4:27pm
I read a take on it that posited the entire documentary is being presented as an allegory for 2016, with the obviously corrupt Joe Exotic becoming charming in his audacity and depravity, while upright Carole Baskin is painted as a murderer and villain by Joe’s cult of personality.
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Tiger King#32
Posted: 4/21/20 at 6:20pm

darquegk said: "I read a take on it that posited the entire documentary is being presented as an allegory for 2016, with the obviously corrupt Joe Exotic becoming charming in his audacity and depravity, while upright Carole Baskin is painted as a murderer and villain by Joe’s cult of personality. "

Huh. That would actually make a lot of sense. I totally see the parallels.

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Tiger King#33
Posted: 4/22/20 at 1:20am

For me I found it so interesting because at every turn someone has a secret or a weird history. It's just so interesting. I love animals and find animal abuse an interesting topic because without zoos I'd have no exposure. I honestly didn't feel like either zoo ABUSED their animals. They all seemed liked they lead good lives. But ....... interesting 


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