Woody Allen rape accusation and "Bullets..."

[BroadwayBen]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 3:35pm

Do we think this Dylan Allan controversy will impact the box office for "Bullets Over Broadway?" Mika on MSNBC said she will never buy a ticket for another Woody Allen movie. Do you think others will feel that way about $150 tickets for a Broadway musical? Discuss.

[neonlightsxo]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 3:37pm

https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.php?thread=1069070&dt=4

[NYadgal]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 3:42pm

No.

[tazber]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 5:54pm

Well you never know, but it won't affect the critics reviews (I don't think). If it gets raves I expect it will be a sell out/SRO for years.

[KathyNYC2]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 8:48pm

I don't know actually...it's hard to say.

For me personally, I haven't seen anything Woody Allen since the original accusations so I wouldn't have gone regardless...so nothings changed in my book.

[darquegk]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 9:07pm

It's hard to say. Similar pedophilia allegations sank Michael Jackson, but never really hurt Pete Townshend. In his case, however, his claim that child pornography was part of the research for his memoir seems to hold up, since just about every album in his solo career or with The Who contained references to his childhood molestation.

[oasisjeff]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 9:21pm

I doubt it will matter. These aren't new allegations, and there is still nothing in the way of evidence, and anyone who looks back on the record will show that Woody cooperated with authorities, took a lie detector test and passed (Mia refused), the video Mia shot had a lot of pauses that led authorities to question whether she was coached, and another of Mia's kids has sense broken off contact with her, said it was "brainwashing" that went on in that house, and has since reconnected with Woody.

I don't dispute that the girl has been abused, but whether that is sexual abuse by Woody or emotional abuse by Mia has yet to be proven.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 9:37pm

"anyone who looks back on the record will show that Woody cooperated with authorities, took a lie detector test and passed (Mia refused)"

I don't think the accusations will nor do I think it should affect Bullets over Broadway, but anyone looking back on the record will know that Allen was initially not at all cooperative. The lie detector test that he supposedly passed seems to have only been seen by Allen's lawyers, and they claim to not know the current whereabouts of its results. It is true that Mia refused to take one.

eta: the title of this thread should probably be changed. There was never an accusation of rape, but rather sexual assault/abuse.
Updated On: 2/3/14 at 09:37 PM

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 2/3/14 at 10:36pm

It's hard to say. Similar pedophilia allegations sank Michael Jackson, but never really hurt Pete Townshend.

Didn't hurt Roman Polanski, either, and he admitted to it.

[KathyNYC2]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 7:23am

The accusations are not new but a number of younger people at my work were talking about it yesterday as it was new to them. But again, who knows. Morality is a less than revered word now it seems. It's hard to know. I am sure that Dylan is not lying but it's been proven that children can honestly believe things if they are told it often enough. I do tend to believe it because of other people I knew personally who knew the family way back then.

Regardless, it was true that Woody took naked pictures of his then "stepdaughter" and left them on Mia's mantle "by mistake". You want to be involved with another person other than the woman you are currently attached to...be a man and deal with the situation head on. Instead Mia found out about it in the worst way possible...and you helped Soon-Yi lose the only family she knew forever and took a sister away from her siblings. Not that Soon-Yi was blameless - she was a participant for sure. But she was under 20 and he was 50. Not to be on a soap box or anything, but that was enough for me not to want to ever see anything else he did. And I haven't.

[g.d.e.l.g.i.]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 7:59am

Will it hurt the show? Probably not. But speaking for myself, if you marry your longtime girlfriend's daughter, you are a satanic piece of ****. And no art (and the man ain't Tolstoy anyway) excuses or compensates for that sort of thermonuclear human/psychological destruction, which will be felt for generations, just because you wanted to get your nut in a particular way. And I'm not even addressing the molestation, though for her to hate him that much to make the accusation, things had to be ****ed. But you marry your girlfriend's child, and the sibling of your children, that you helped raise? You are borderline psychotic, psychopathic human garbage.

(And ditto for Roman Polanski. There's no forgiveness, in my book, for someone who slipped a 13-year-old a Quaalude and violated her.)

[Kad]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 8:26am

Because what we really should be discussing is how this festering drama will affect a musical.

[TalkinLoud]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 8:38am

The molestation accusations are obviously another matter, but I can't believe there are people who have boycotted Allen's work because he maried a much younger woman. I know it was his girlfriend's adopted daughter, but really whoe cares? They weren't related, he wasn't her father, and they've happily been together for decades since then so it seems that their love must be real. Who are you to decide which two adults can be in love and marry?

[Jon]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 8:50am

I'm sure that little Soon-Yi believed that there was nothing wrong with getting involved with older men, especially seeing photos of her mommy with that creepy old Mr. Sinatra.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 9:57am

"Morality is a less than revered word now it seems." I'm sorry but what, Kathy? Also, what's with the quotes around "step daughter" and "by mistake"?

I will say it is funny watching the person in this thread who knows nothing but minutia about half-baked flop rock musicals criticizing somebody else's art. Woody Allen is definitely no Ted Neeley.

Updated On: 2/4/14 at 09:57 AM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 10:51am

We can always count on you to come to the defense of the voiceless and oppressed.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 11:11am

Funny line, but who are you referring to? Who in the post you responded to is voiceless or oppressed?

Updated On: 2/4/14 at 11:11 AM

[KathyNYC2]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 11:46am

"Morality is a less than revered word now it seems." I'm sorry but what, Kathy? Also, what's with the quotes around "step daughter" and "by mistake"?

The quotes around "stepdaughter" refer to the fact that he was not officially married to Mia when he was a somewhat co-parent to the children. The "by mistake" refers to the idea that I would like to think that no one would leave such personal items out on purpose for anyone to see...but I have no facts to back that up.

And Morality is just a hard word to define in today's day and age, a lot of screwed up values of what's important.....just a general statement. My opinion..If you disagree, no problem. To each his own..

Updated On: 2/4/14 at 11:46 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 11:51am

Not only was Allen not married to Farrow, Allen's current wife's father was Andre Previn. Mia took up with Previn while he was still married, after which, the woman he left for Mia wrote a song called "Beware of Young Girls." So, what I am saying is, this was not a storybook family structure that suddenly had one person in it whose behavior was not what one would call normative.

The "by mistake" refers to the idea that I would like to think that no one would leave such personal items out on purpose…

I am curious as to why you would like to think that? Also, I appreciate that you responded.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 11:59am

"Who in the post you responded to is voiceless or oppressed?"

Apparently Woody Allen is....

(And no, I'm not TEAM FARROW. Mia is bat**** crazy).

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 12:03pm

I was not speaking for Woody Allen in my post, nor was I silencing any voiceless or oppressed person.

I hope you hadn't thought up that funny line and waited for an opportunity to use it, because it doesn't really fit in response to that post and it's a shame you had to waste it.

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 1:30pm

The press will almost certainly capitalize on the Farrow/Allen wars - which are seemingly growing more viral and virulent every day - in their coverage of the Bullets opening.

I doubt it will affect box office. I don't doubt there will be furor.

I hope I'm wrong (about the last part, not the first).





Updated On: 2/20/14 at 01:30 PM

[best12bars]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 1:54pm

They should just go ahead and change the name of the show to "Bullets Over Backlash."

[oasisjeff]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 2:21pm

The Daily Beast piece written by the guy who did the recent Woody documentary clarifies a lot of the Soon-Yi misconceptions, and is worth checking out. Especially if you're going to build your case for Dylan with the Soon-Yi stuff as the basis...

As the author says in the piece: "If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?"
The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast...

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/14 at 2:53pm

This piece in the LATimes captures everything I feel. And that's all that matters in this story, how everybody feels. Then again, according to Liza's Headband's friend's analysis, that means I have been "rape cultured."


Does it really matter whom we believe?