Universal health/dental care and why we need it

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I thank God I have a decent job that includes medical/dental benefits.

because of that, I have to pay this month $860 for two crowns, and $750 for a root canal. These are my co-pays after insurance.

If uninsured, the crowns alone would b $3000.

There was a time when $1610 as a copay would have been very hard for me to meet.

I can only imagine what it would feel like to have no dental insurance, or worse......have none and a family to feed.

We are (supposedly) the most educated, richest, and strongest nation on the planet.

There is no reason that EVERYONE should not be able to get the dental or medicaL attention they need.

I never, EVER complain about paying my co-pays, as many cannot afford it....and many have no insurance at all.

If it comes down to feeding your family or fixing your teeth, I am sure teeth takes a backseat.

Universale medical/dental care NOW!

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Or, people could just take care of their teeth and not eat crap.

Then they wouldn't need crowns and root canals.
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Is there a diet so healthy that it stops tooth decay?
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That's why I agree with those who advocate for universal healthcare AND prevention/education.

But, yes, we do need universal healthcare/dental.
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Simply taking care of your teeth ( which we all should do by the way ) does not
guarantee good teeth - - - genetics play a huge part I am very sorry to say. I wish
it were all that simple!
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exactly, genetics has a great deal to do with it....
Taking care of ones teeth is essential, but certainly not the complete answer
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We do need universal heath care. Who cares if we pay a bit more in taxes....... we are already paying it in insurance co-pays and priemiums.
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"There is no reason that EVERYONE should not be able to get the dental or medicaL attention they need."

First of all, even if everyone had healthcare, that is no guarantee that people will go to the doctor.

Obviously you've never lived paycheck to paycheck. Hillary's idea of taking people's wages will be a disaster. When you are barely making it, the one thing you don't need is the government taking more money.
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"Obviously you've never lived paycheck to paycheck."

Call me a close reader if you must, but this: "There was a time when $1610 as a copay would have been very hard for me to meet" doesn't exactly lead me to believe that Elphaba's always had a nice big cushion of cash piling around.
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"doesn't exactly lead me to believe that Elphaba's always had a nice big cushion of cash piling around."

Then why make it difficult for those who are barely scraping by?
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We can use the tax money we're currently using to pay for a stupid war to pay for universal healthcare.

It's cheaper than war, you know.
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And as we've discussed in the past, the US has socialized healthcare in the form of Medicare and Medicaid and neither Democrat nor Republican has been been able to make it work.
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I live paycheck to paycheck because I have to pay a $400 premium each month plus all the co-pays. It wouldnt hurt me if the government raised my taxes a bit if I didn't have to pay that huge ammount to the HMO.
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Elphaba, I hear you! I take after my mother, who did not have strong teeth. (Of course I couldn't take after my father, who never had a cavity!)

Anyway, my mother has false teeth now, but I'm trying to avoid that. Without going into details, suffice it to say I have paid for my dentist's condo! I hardly have any teeth which are not currently bridges, root canals, and/or crowns. Since retiring from teaching, I have a very low paying ($1500/year) insurance policy. One visit to the dentist alone costs me about that much.

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"Hillary's idea of taking people's wages will be a disaster. When you are barely making it, the one thing you don't need is the government taking more money."

I disagree. If people were given the option having social security taken out of their paychecks the majority would vote it down immediately. Because they "need" that extra money now, they would have NO plan in place for when they retire. Not even a shaky one like SS. We'd have a lot of senior citizens out on the streets homeless and dying.

If we are to have universal health care, people (ALL people) are going to have to pay for it.

Otherwise, give up the idea.

I do agree that the government should rethink the budgets spent on war and defense, and a lot can be done with that money. But not everything. We still need a solid defense budget, especially in this day and age... but it's not to be thrown away and squandered the way it has been recently.
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There's a lot that can be done to leverage the cost of healthcare. And the issue is no way nearly as black and white as more taxes = better care for all.

What about malpractice insurance? Isn't that one reason Dr.'s rates keep climbing? There should be a cap on the settlements for starters.
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Elphaba,

Your PM's are blocked.
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Let me first say that I am very fortunate that I have a good health insurance plan available to me through my employer (I do pay part of the premium, however subsidized, each paycheck).

Universal health care is a good concept in theory, and while I like the idea of it, I'm not yet sold on the fact that it would "work" here in the U.S.

At the same time, I agree that there is no reason that people should not get the medical attention they need.

It's a tough call. Good concept, but I don't see it being successful if/when put into practice. Right now, if I need a medical treatment, I get it, and I appreciate that I can. If healthcare were universal, I don't like the idea that I might be on a waiting list for a procedure, etc.

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"If people were given the option having social security taken out of their paychecks the majority would vote it down immediately."

Do you realize that social security is considered a "benefit" by the government. That means that they don't have to pay it. In the 1950s there were people that were denied social security because they were labeled Communists.
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One of the biggest problems with beneficial government systems already in place is the abuse of them.

Welfare, unemployment insurance, and many others are taken advantage of by a handful of greedy people out to get a free lunch. Same thing with the law-suit-happy folks, who with one hefty settlement can bring a shaky but helpful program or nonprofit-funded organization to its knees. They destroy any chance of success for the majority of people who genuinely need help. Such a shame.
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That's what I'm saying besty. There needs to be some kind of deterent for "tort malpractice" suits. I don't know, maybe fine the plantiff if he loses the case?
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"One of the biggest problems with beneficial government systems already in place is the abuse of them."

And yet the government does very little to stop it.
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Gothampc---and in the caveman days men used to club women over the heads and drag them into caves. Last time I checked we weren't holding benefits away from "Commies" anymore. It's 55 years later, according to my watch.
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"It's 55 years later, according to my watch"

Do you understand that the Social Security fund is made up of IOU's? That both parties liberally borrow from the fund and there's nothing actually there?
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Because the Republicans have taken that money for their war.

Why are you blaming 'government' in general, when the problem is the Republicans?
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