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benazir bhutto assassinated#51
Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:34pm
by who?
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benazir bhutto assassinated#52
Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:37pm
where *is* condi, anyway?
i want to make thngs that count
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benazir bhutto assassinated#53
Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:38pm
pj, tell abc it's been discredited as well.
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benazir bhutto assassinated#54
Posted: 12/27/07 at 6:31pm
From the ABC article you cited:

An obscure Italian Web site said Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, al Qaeda's commander in Afghanistan, told its reporter in a phone call, "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahedeen."...

U.S. officials monitoring Internet chat rooms known to be used by Islamic militants say several claims of responsibility have been posted, although such postings are notoriously unreliable.


That's pretty discreditable, as far as I'm concerned.
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benazir bhutto assassinated#55
Posted: 12/27/07 at 6:33pm
so the chat rooms are discredited because they are notoriously, but the italian one - being the one i cited - is discredited because it's obscure? or because you have deemed it so?
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benazir bhutto assassinated#56
Posted: 12/27/07 at 6:35pm
This, more credibly, from Wolf Blitzer this afternoon:

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In an e-mail sent to a confidant in the US two months ago, assassinated Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto said she would hold the country's current leader Pervez Musharraf "responsible" because his government did not do enough to provide for her security.

"I wld (sic) hold Musharraf responsible," Bhutto wrote to her US spokesman, Mark Siegel, in the October e-mail, which was reported Thursday afternoon by CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "I have been made to feel insecure by his minions, and there is no way what is happening in terms of stopping me from taking private cars or using tinted windows or giving jammers or four police mobiles to cover all sides cld (sic) happen without him."

Blitzer told viewers he received the e-mail soon after it was sent two months ago, but he agreed not to report on it unless Bhutto was assassinated. "It's a story I was asked to report to the world in -- if Bhutto were killed," he said.

The former Pakistani prime minister was shot twice Thursday just before her assassin detonated a suicide bomb that killed at least 20 more of her supporters.

Appearing on The Situation Room on CNN, Siegel said Bhutto was concerned about her security as soon as she returned from a years-long exile in October.

"Benazir was very concerned by the lack of security that she had on her arrival in Karachi on October 18th," Siegel said. "The circumstances around the nation attempt on the night of the 18th, the morning of the 19th, was very, very suspicious. ... There was no investigation of that horrendous killing which killed 179 people. She had asked that Scotland Yard and the FBI be brought in for forensic help for the investigation. The government of General Musharraf absolutely refused."

Since October, Siegel said, Bhutto received "some police protection," but was denied other security precautions such as jammers to prevent improvised explosive devices or four police escorts to protect her from all sides when she appeared in public.

Mahmud al-Durrani, Pakistan's ambassador to the US, also appeared on Blitzer's program. He said it was "naive" to blame Musharraf's government for the attack.

"Musharraf tried his best, but the circumstances under which she moved, that was a problem," al-Durrani said. "When she was moving almost in a sea of humanity, so this -- this -- no system in the world can protect you against that."

DEVELOPING....

This video is from CNN's Situation Room, broadcast on December 27, 2007.
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benazir bhutto assassinated#57
Posted: 12/27/07 at 6:46pm
oh please, wolf has been trying to get relevant again since '92 and she was in the process of trying to discredit a guy and run a campaign. if i were her i'd have been leaking everything but the kitchen sink to try to paint pervy in a bad light.

but seriously, who was going to look anywhere but right at pervy if she got whacked?

isi may be full of murderers, but they're not martyrs.

which may be why he kept them away from her. for her own good.

if it looks too good to be true, it usually is and in this case - the one against pervy - it looks way too good to be true.
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benazir bhutto assassinated#58
Posted: 12/27/07 at 9:42pm
bruce riedel who was on clinton's nsc, was involved in negotiations during the india/pakistan stand-off and who is no friend of the dubya says it was al qaeda.
almost certainly al qaeda
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benazir bhutto assassinated#59
Posted: 12/27/07 at 10:05pm
Didn't you see this coming? It is sad but was predictable.
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benazir bhutto assassinated#60
Posted: 12/27/07 at 10:15pm
oh geez, fen, at least feign some form of imagination.
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Posted: 12/27/07 at 10:31pm
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benazir bhutto assassinated#62
Posted: 12/28/07 at 12:07am
Al Qaeda is the simplistic, all-too-convenient answer, and lots of people in the NSC and CIA establishments--Republican AND Democratic--have a lot invested in blaming as much as possible on Al Qaeda.

Here's Husain Haqqani, a longtime adviser and close friend of Bhutto:

"There is only one possibility: the security establishment and Musharraf are complicit, either by negligence or design. That is the most important thing. She's not the first political leader killed, since Musharraf took power, by the security forces."

"Bhutto died of a gunshot wound to the neck. It's like a hit, not a regular suicide bombing. It's quite clear that someone who considers himself Pakistan's Godfather has a very different attitude toward human life than you and I do."

Bhutto Adviser: Musharraf Is To Blame
Updated On: 12/28/07 at 12:07 AM
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benazir bhutto assassinated#63
Posted: 12/28/07 at 4:37am
Exactly, PalJ
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benazir bhutto assassinated#64
Posted: 12/28/07 at 7:26am
and i see pervez as the too simplistic answer.

a friend of bhutto's who thinks it was pervy? color me shocked.
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benazir bhutto assassinated#65
Posted: 12/28/07 at 8:31am
When Al Qaeda claims a bombing, Al Qaeda claims a bombing. This assassination has NONE of the earmarks of a Qaeda op.

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...[the] claim has not appeared on radical Islamist Web sites that regularly post such messages from al Qaeda and other militant groups.

The source of the claim was apparently Italian news agency, Adnkronos International (AKI), which said that al Qaeda Afghanistan commander and spokesman Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid had telephoned the agency to make the claim.

"We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahadeen," AKI quoted Al-Yazid as saying.

According to AKI, al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri set the wheels in motion for the assassination in October.

One Islamist Web site repeated the claim, but that Web site is not considered a reliable source for Islamist messages by experts in the field.
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benazir bhutto assassinated#66
Posted: 12/28/07 at 9:17am
because al qaeda always does things exactly the same way every single time and has never altered their operational patterns one single bit. ever.
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Posted: 12/28/07 at 12:03pm
'Take me out tonight where's there's music and there's people and they're young and alive.'
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Posted: 12/28/07 at 12:31pm
I just don't think this was the doing of a conveniently demonized amorphous "enemy" with no assistance or encouragement from the Pakistani government or Secret Service.

The Interior Ministry spokesman quoted in Wexy's article is right out of Orwell: Not only was the death CAUSED by Al Qaeda, it was also NOT caused by a bullet or the bomb--she accidentally hit her head on a sun-roof knob. A knob! That's all it was, people! A knob. So you can all go back to your normal lives, sans the candidate who might have won next week's election.

But it was Al Qaeda! And it was an accident! Nothing to be alarmed at! Just mourn for what'shername and go on with your lives.

And you there in America--Al Qaeda is coming for you too! BOO!
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benazir bhutto assassinated#69
Posted: 12/28/07 at 12:35pm
This isn't even out of Orwell. It's out of the second act of WICKED:

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an attendee at the rally where Bhutto was killed says police charged with protecting her "abandoned their posts," leaving just a handful of Bhutto's own bodyguards protecting her.

"Police officers had frisked the 3,000 to 4,000 people attending Thursday's rally when they entered the park, but as the speakers from Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party droned on, the police abandoned many of their posts," wrote Saeed Shah in an essay published by McClatchy News Service. "As she drove out through the gate, her main protection appeared to be her own bodyguards, who wore their usual white T-shirts inscribed: 'Willing to die for Benazir.'"

While some intelligence officials, especially within the US, were quick to finger al Qaeda militants as responsible for Bhutto's death, it remains unclear precisely who was responsible and some speculation has centered on Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI, its military or even forces loyal to the current president Pervez Musharraf. Rawalpindi, where Bhutto was killed, is the garrison city that houses the Pakistani military's headquarters.

"GHQ (general headquarters of the army) killed her," Sardar Saleem, a former member of parliament, told Shah at the hospital.

Whatever the case, Bhutto's precise cause of death may never be known because of the failure to administer an autopsy. The procedure was not carried out because police and local authorities in Rawalpindi did not request one, according to IBNLive, but the government plans a formal investigation why this was the case.

Musharraf initially blamed her death on unnamed Islamic militants, but Interior Minister Hamid Nawaz told The Associated Press on Friday that "we have the evidence that al-Qaida and the Taliban were behind the suicide attack on Benazir Bhutto."

He said investigators had resolved the "whole mystery" behind the opposition leader's killing and would give details at press conference later Friday.
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Posted: 12/28/07 at 12:40pm
because it had to be the guy with the most to lose with her death since everyone was going to think he did it anyway. so they elect an extremist patsy candidate in an anger vote and the islamists get what they want: control of the islamic nuke. yeah, it totally makes sense for pervy to have orchestrated this.
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Posted: 12/28/07 at 1:10pm
Dictators thrive on chaos. It enables them to assume "emergency" powers.
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Posted: 12/28/07 at 1:16pm
Side headline on Drudge, developing:

Top Bhutto aide says govt explanation 'pack of lies'...
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Posted: 12/28/07 at 1:22pm
that's like a headline exclaiming, "friend of hdt2 calls bww a liberal oasis!"
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benazir bhutto assassinated#74
Posted: 12/28/07 at 1:44pm
And both headlines would be true.
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Posted: 12/28/07 at 1:48pm
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