Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Dollypop
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#2Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 3:40pm
It's deity.
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Alex Kulak2
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#5Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 4:10pm
I make a point of never talking religion or politics in public forums, but I will say this- I hope no one mocks or thinks any less of Mr. Grisetti because of this book. Just as theists are not expected to push their beliefs on others, so must non-believers be held to that same standard of respect.
Peace out.
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#6Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 4:47pm
I won't make fun of his belief of God, because I believe in God and I'm gay. Which is something. I just find it obnoxious when people say they have spoken with God or have made contact with God. God is not something you can contact or see. God isn't this high power that many people say it is. It doesn't control our lives or shifts things around for us. God is all of us. It's our humanity and everything that makes us good.
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#7Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 5:12pm
Ado Annie D'Ysquith said: "I make a point of never talking religion or politics in public forums, but I will say this- I hope no one mocks or thinks any less of Mr. Grisetti because of this book. Just as theists are not expected to push their beliefs on others, so must non-believers be held to that same standard of respect.
Peace out.
"
Even if atheists don't impose the reality/truth of the world on others, you will have to accept that hearing anyone believe things that aren't true (which, in many cases also has negative consequences for humanity) has to lead to some kind of reaction or thought about that person's 'beliefs' from the perspective of someone who knows the reality of the world is different from what they are suggesting.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
Updated On: 9/28/16 at 05:12 PM
#8Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 5:43pm
Ado Annie D'Ysquith said: "Just as theists are not expected to push their beliefs on others, so must non-believers be held to that same standard of respect."
Since when have theists, by and large, showed that "standard of respect"? Give me a break. :)
Actually, in the marketplace of ideas, I expect people to try to push their beliefs on others and to call out things they think are nonsense. That's sure how it works with me, in both directions. :)
#9Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 6:00pm
I had a encounter with a saint when I six and my mom had a encounter with the Virgin Mary, so anything is possible
#10Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 6:03pm
It makes no sense that religious beliefs are compared to and demand equal respect to atheist beliefs (or indeed, often demand more respect). They aren't equal. Atheist beliefs are the result of evidence and the same kind of thinking that has led to planes flying, modern medicine, computers and university academia. Religious beliefs are fairy tales based on illogical reasoning. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't contribute to so many problems in the world today: homophobia, mysogony, impeding scientific research and in some cases terrorism. To demand respect for that seems rather odd.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#11Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 6:30pm
I think that we all need to live and let live, but I agree that the religious community is not really a positive group of people. They could be, but they choose to either be confrontational or passive agressive as opposed to letting other people live their damn lives. They choose to be all up in women's vaginas and gay people's bedrooms, and yet they claim to be a loving group of people when they're probably the most hateful people on the planet. I try to not judge the way in which these people live, but it's hard when they're constantly telling you that they don't approve of your life. Also, they're probably one of the only groups of people who can openly spew hate speech and call it freedom of speech. So, I don't particularly sympathize with this group, and also, he should probably go to a doctor if he's hearing voices. He's probably a kind person though and I hope that he enjoys his faith.
whatever2
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/25/06
#12Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 6:50pm
i tend to fall in the "live and let live" camp as well (though i eagerly await the day when i am afforded that same courtesy by the religious right), but it's worth pointing out this isn't just about theism or not; this is about a man recounting and dissecting a DIRECT ENCOUNTER with g*d.
When people talk to g*d it's called praying; when g*d talks back it's called something else.
"You, sir, are a moron." (PlayItAgain)
Dollypop
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#13Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 8:01pm
Grisetti is the first to admit all of this may have been a hallucination. Also, he was an agnostic before his experience. He's not much of a church-Goer these days.
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Updated On: 9/28/16 at 08:01 PM
UncleCharlie
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/26/16
#14Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 8:08pm
He's clearly mistaken. He and I have never spoken.
#15Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 10:18pm
qolbinau said: "It makes no sense that religious beliefs are compared to and demand equal respect to atheist beliefs (or indeed, often demand more respect). They aren't equal. Atheist beliefs are the result of evidence and the same kind of thinking that has led to planes flying, modern medicine, computers and university academia. Religious beliefs are fairy tales based on illogical reasoning. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't contribute to so many problems in the world today: homophobia, mysogony, impeding scientific research and in some cases terrorism. To demand respect for that seems rather odd.
"
Well said, but I have a couple of quarrels: atheistic beliefs are based more on a LACK of evidence, not evidence (though I'll allow it's nearly impossible to prove a sweeping negative).
Not all metaphysical beliefs are "illogical", no more than they are all oppressive. I suppose we could agree that all metaphysics are "non-rational", since the rational mind isn't equipped to deal with the supernatural, but non-rational isn't the same as "irrational" (i.e., "crazy'
.
But basically I agree wtih you: I think everyone, including myself, has a right to our magical thinking. But I see no reason why you have to "respect" my views, except to the extent that you decline to persecute me for having them. (Which I know you would do.)
#16Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 10:45pm
I was wondering whether someone would pick me up on that and you raise a good point. There is no evidence that god does not exist as such (in the same way that there is no evidence that Santa Claus does not exist), rather, there is evidence that the current evidence put forth to believe in god is not convincing. For example, Dr Ben Carson describing the complexity of the human brain as evidence for God/creationism (yet current scientific theories suggest otherwise). It is not the case that we have proved God doesn't exist, rather, we don't have any good evidence to believe God does exist.
Regarding the distinction between illogical and irrational, yes I'm not sure what precise definition is appropriate, but what I mean is that holding religious beliefs does reflect a flaw in reasoning (at the most basic level, the fact that we have so many different religions - most mutually exclusive/incompatible with one another - suggests that at the very least, most people have got it wrong when it comes to their religious beliefs. They can't all be right).
But yes, I wouldn't really care what people believe if it didn't affect others. Plenty of people (including myself) probably hold beliefs about all sorts of things that aren't true. For example, I really believed that Bernadette Peters would be cast in the NYPhil Sweeney Todd before Emma Thompson was announced. But being wrong about that didn't harm anybody besides maybe annoying people on this forum when talking about it. In fact, it helped the US economy because I bought tickets before they even announced Emma Thompson. But when false beliefs start to impact policy decisions, behaviours and attitudes of people towards others, impeding science etc...it becomes a bit frustrating to sit here and let it continue without saying anything.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
Updated On: 9/28/16 at 10:45 PM
Oak2
Leading Actor Joined: 8/11/16
#17Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/28/16 at 10:51pm
There's a big difference between individual religion/spirituality and organized religion. Individual beliefs and spirituality can be vastly helpful and sometimes even necessary for the individual, and should be encouraged and respected as long as they respect your own. It's organized religion that is more likely to cause problems, and in my view at least can lend itself to evil, and it often boils down to using and manipulating the beliefs and trusts of masses of people for political and other more selfish purposes.
#18Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/29/16 at 11:30am
Those people who get in your face and protest at Pride parades and act "passive aggressive" (not to mention get angry over the color of Starbucks cups) are a perversion of what it means to be a person of faith. To honor the Divine (call it what you will) is to show kindness to ALL and do what you can with what to have to make this world a better place.
*vanishes in a puff of smoke*
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Liza's Headband
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/28/13
#19Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/29/16 at 11:36am
Just as no radical Islamic terrorist represents or speaks for an entire religion, the same can and must be said for every other religion; including Christianity and its unfortunate, misguided interlopers known as bigoted bible-thumpers. This principle can be applied to really any religious denomination or line of thinking.
#20Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/29/16 at 4:01pm
Liza's Headband said: "Just as no radical Islamic terrorist represents or speaks for an entire religion, the same can and must be said for every other religion; including Christianity and its unfortunate, misguided interlopers known as bigoted bible-thumpers."
Well, just to focus on the anti-gay stuff, it most certainly does say in the bible that we should be executed. There's no getting around that. Anti-gay hatred is not an aberrant form of Christianity at all.
Liza's Headband
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/28/13
#21Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/29/16 at 5:03pm
Yes, in the Old Testament it does. Not so in the New Testament. But sure, keep trying...
#22Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/29/16 at 9:55pm
Liza's Headband said: "Yes, in the Old Testament it does. Not so in the New Testament. But sure, keep trying... "
I was under the impression that Christians generally considered both parts to be the word of God. Obviously a lot of Christians are savvy enough to recognize that this isn't quite true, but my point stands: anti-gay bigotry is not some new fringe development within Christianity.
Obviously this is off-topic, so I'll let that be my last post here.
#23Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/30/16 at 12:46pm
kdogg, a lot of Christians believe Jesus was incarnated precisely for the purpose of reforming the distortions of the Old Testament. Those who insist there's no conflict between Old and New are usually called Fundamentalists and there are plenty of them; but their view is no more inherently authentic than anyone else's. I believe that is Liza's point.
qol, I can't begin to comprehend Dr. Carson, except I know we can't use "brain surgeon" as a metaphor for intellectual brilliance any more.
whatever2
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/25/06
#24Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/30/16 at 1:55pm
Paul condemns homosexuality in three of his epistles (Romans, Corinthians, and Timothy).
"You, sir, are a moron." (PlayItAgain)
#25Josh Grisetti has talked to God?
Posted: 9/30/16 at 2:20pm
Yeah, but Paul condemns sexuality (and women) in general. Petrine thought, which is the branch more commonly associated with Catholicism, is more concerned with good works and noble acts; Pauline thought, more associated with Protestantism and Evangelicism, is more concerned with rules of faith and law.
Neither one officially "spoke for Jesus," and it's telling that they have a conflict and it's never really resolved which was right or wrong.
Of course, you don't have to believe any of that is divinely inspired, or believe that these men did the things they say they did. Hell, you can even go a few steps further and say these men literally did not exist at all! It's your prerogative, and God (the deity of your choice, or the absence thereof) bless America for allowing, even encouraging, these debates.
