Today's SCOTUS hearing on gay marriage

[adamgreer]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 1:53pm

Kennedy's comments (the likely deciding vote, unless Roberts joins the liberals) seem troubling:

 

Early indications of Kennedy’s stance appeared to side with the conservatives on the court, saying that the same-sex marriage advocates are seeking to change the definition of the institution of marriage, which has lasted for a “millennia.” Kennedy continued: “It’s very difficult for the court to say, ‘Oh, we know better."

 

Court hears gay marriage case

[tazber]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 1:57pm

I'm very anxious about this.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 2:15pm

"Bonauto closed her argument with a neat turn of phrase. The Court had said that the question is "who decides" whether same sex marriage will be lawful: the courts or the states? She responded that the choice is not between the Court and the state, but instead whether the individual can decide who to marry, or whether the government will decide for him." From the SCOTUSBlog

Hillary updated her logo, too. 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 2:19pm

Updated On: 4/28/15 at 02:19 PM

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 2:23pm

Yes, she has. As had Obama. As has ANY candidate with any chance of making a ripple who currently supports marriage equality. NO ONE in the running supported it in 1996.

[Kad]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 2:41pm

So politicians need to be locked into beliefs forever?

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 2:45pm

Plus, what exactly can Hillary do in this situation? She's not on the Court and isn't even currently an elected official. I'm not saying that changing her logo is some monumental act, but I don't understand what else you really expect from her.

[artscallion]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 2:45pm

Most of the country has magically evolved.  That's why I've gone from not being able to say out loud that I'm gay to being married in the mere span of 20 years.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 3:00pm

^^^ Gorgeous and simple and sweet.

"So politicians need to be locked into beliefs forever?"

Yes.  This way do-nothings and know-nothings can call EVERYBODY hypocrites and claim they're all the same.

[adamgreer]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 3:06pm

Well, this escalated quickly. 

[tazber]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 3:47pm

They're predicting 5-4 in favor of gay marriage.

But anything can happen.....

Link

[philly03]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 3:47pm

-- forgot i don't want to bring up politics on a Broadway message board --

Updated On: 4/28/15 at 03:47 PM

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 3:53pm

Michael Jackson was once black, sane and alive.  People change.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 4:00pm

while Justice Samuel Alito strongly questioned the plaintiffs’ claims — raising questions about polygamy and why siblings shouldn’t be able to receive the same protections as same-sex couples.

 

And this person is a Supreme Court Justice. 

Updated On: 4/28/15 at 04:00 PM

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 4:17pm

Alito also brought up the, "but but but... What if a minister doesn't want to marry a same-sex couple?!" bullsh!t. Who took over for Fred Phelps? That's who I want officiating my big day.

Updated On: 4/28/15 at 04:17 PM

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 4:24pm

Trying to draw conclusions from questioning during oral arguments as to where the court's decision might be headed is often counterproductive.  Just ask Jeffrey Toobin

Updated On: 4/28/15 at 04:24 PM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 4:38pm

Updated On: 4/28/15 at 04:38 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 7:03pm

Ladies and gentlemen. 

And so concludes the latest episode of Liza's Headband's "Tabula Rasa."  You know the drill, get called on your s hit by so many people it finally dawns on you how wrong you are. But you must never admit it, you must never, ever apologize. Instead, erase every example of how wrong you are, lay low, and return after some time away as if you are just a reasonable member of the community without an error-riddled, destructive past. 

As always, I'm your announcer Professor FindingNamo, reminding you that everything I know I learned from straight plays, comedies, tragedies and dramas.  See you again soon!  Goodnight!

Updated On: 4/28/15 at 07:03 PM

[HorseTears]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:28pm

Does Kennedy's line of questioning make anyone else nervous?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/28/15 at 11:38pm

Call me cynical, but it feels like a theater plot.  Like how the media gins up a horse race every election season.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 4/29/15 at 12:03am

My favorite thing is how the headband has deleted everything it's said in every thread today. 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 4/29/15 at 12:49am

Well, yes, you're probably right, Namo.  With many cases, they've already pretty much made up their minds at this stage and we know how most of them are going to rule. Everyone's - rightly so, I'm sure - focused on Kennedy.  I'm almost as interested in Roberts.  He seems to be more concerned with his legacy than the other conservative justices.  I know it's highly unlikely, but it would be pretty damn satisfying to get a 6-3 ruling in favor of marriage equality.  

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 4/29/15 at 1:00am

Plus Roberts seems soooo gay.  Which as we know, degree of outness has a big impact on decision making.

[HorseTears]

Posted: 4/29/15 at 1:17am

Good point.  

[Wilmingtom]

Posted: 4/29/15 at 1:31am

Namo, it seems that you think everyone is gay.  And "outness" does not have a big impact on marriage equality.  There are, by most accounts, 85-90% more straight people than gay and their votes will make the difference.  Believe it or not, most straight folks are on board with marriage equality.