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Wilmingtom
Broadway Star
joined:7/18/11
Why "Mama" Rose?
Posted: 7/3/14 at 10:36pm
I'm thinking about Carolyn Quinn's new book, "Mama Rose's Turn," and wondering why "Mama" is invariably spelled that way while in the script and score it's spelled "Momma," as in "If Momma Was Married." Not that she's ever referred to as "Momma Rose." The kids call her "Momma" and everyone else calls her "Rose." But when/where/why did this "Mama" thing come into play?
Someone in a Tree2
Broadway Star
joined:10/9/12
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:07pm
Believe me, there are partisans on this board who seem to feel very strongly about Mama Rose being the traditionally acceptable way to refer to that character.

I contended Madame Rose (and her Toreadorables) is the way she refers to herself at the top of Act II, so that's preferable to call the character than the completely bogus Mama Rose. I was shot down firmly. (Go search all the threads discussing Streisand's attempt to get a Gypsy movie off the ground for proof.)
ljay889
Broadway Legend
joined:8/4/04
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:11pm
There have been endless discussions about this. There is no definitive answer. But I've always found it amusing how some become enraged when others refer to her as "Mama Rose", especially on All That Chat.

Does it really matter how we refer to her? It's an absolutely incredible role, whether she's referred to as Mama/Momma Rose, Madame Rose, or just Rose.
#sadandtransparent
Wilmingtom
Broadway Star
joined:7/18/11
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:24pm
I apologize for not realizing that this ground has been tread before. As for me, I'll take the authors' word for it. They wrote her as "momma" and that's good enough for me. Does anyone want to go to bat for Maime or Dollie?
morosco
Broadway Legend
joined:7/10/04
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:27pm
For years Ethel Merman often referred to the character as Mama/Momma Rose in interviews. That's good enough for me.
Someone in a Tree2
Broadway Star
joined:10/9/12
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:28pm
Oh don't apologize! We love reliving old fights on a regular basis!
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend
joined:9/16/07
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:31pm
In Mexico, they call her La Mamita Rosita. I just made that up.

Someone in a aTree2, I'm sure most people don't care what you call her, but I think maybe it's a little silly and pedantic to try and make Madam Rose happen. She's been referred to colloquially as Mama Rose for nearly sixty years. Even if everybody on this board refers to her as Madame Rose from here on out, what does that do? Raise Ethel Merman from the dead? "Hell was swell, folks! Know why? No dyke nuns! Isn't that swell?"
Sally Durant Plummer
Stand-by
joined:8/15/13
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:39pm
I always call her Madame Rose, as she refers to herself in the libretto. Rose would never want to be known as " Mama Rose".
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend
joined:7/22/03
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:47pm
All I know is the real Mama Rose didn't look ANYTHING like that.
"I hate dead people!" -- Joan Rivers. A Piece of Work
PalJoey
Broadway Legend
joined:3/11/04
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:48pm


In 2008 Arthur Laurents said in an interview on NPR "I've never understood that, because she certainly would loathe being called 'Mama,' And she was ... nobody ever thought of her as a mother! Why she's called 'Mama Rose,' I don't know."

So, in Arthur's memory, let's all call her MAMA ROSE.
yr pal,
joey




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Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend
joined:9/16/07
Why
Posted: 7/3/14 at 11:56pm
nobody ever thought of her as a mother!

F*CK him. When I was typing my earlier comment I was thinking that of course it was Mama because the character is defined by her motherhood and how she tries to make her motherhood work for her. If I wasn't already against calling her Maddam Rose I am now!

Mama Rose 4-Ever! Serves her right for what she did to Louise! You can find the thread yourself if you want or know!
Mr. Nowack
Broadway Star
joined:2/2/14
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 12:32am
Honestly, who cares? She is a mama. And her name is Rose. What's so wrong about calling her Mama Rose? I find it baffling that people take such offense at her being called that.
I was previously known as Mr. Nowak (Joined: 5/20/13).
morosco
Broadway Legend
joined:7/10/04
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 12:40am
Mama's talkin' loud.
Mama's doin' fine.
Mama's gettin' hot.
Mama's goin' stong.
Mama's movin' on.
Mama's all alone.
Mama doesn't care.
Mama's lettin' loose.
Mama's got the stuff.
Mama's lettin' go.
Mama?
Mama's got the stuff.
Mama's gotta move.
Mama's gotta go.
Mama? Mama?
Mama's gotta let go.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend
joined:12/4/07
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 12:48am
Wilma -are you more concerned with the SPELLING or the term itself?
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
Playbilly
Broadway Legend
joined:3/30/12
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Posted: 7/4/14 at 12:49am
I shall call her...Rosie.
"Through The Sacrifice You Made, We Can't Believe The Price You Paid..For Love!"
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend
joined:7/22/03
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 01:00am
I like Mother Rose.
"I hate dead people!" -- Joan Rivers. A Piece of Work
sabrelady
Broadway Legend
joined:5/16/03
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 01:17am
Mutter Rose und her Kinder
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Someone in a Tree2
Broadway Star
joined:10/9/12
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 10:04am
I warned ya they can get partisan around this issue...
jemjeb2
Stand-by
joined:6/28/05
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 11:25am
Talk about much ado about nothing...
Jordan Catalano
Broadway Legend
joined:10/9/05
Why
Posted: 7/4/14 at 11:33am
Long Live Mama Rosario!