Pal Joey is now African American... and gay characters...

FindingNamo
Broadway Legend
joined:7/22/03
He is African-American and gay characters? How many does he play?
Can anyone tell me how the line has been?
best12bars
Broadway Legend
joined:6/29/05
Congrats on the race change, PJ! Here's to a whole new you!
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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FindingNamo
Broadway Legend
joined:7/22/03
Everybody always sad he has a lot of soul.
Can anyone tell me how the line has been?
suestorm
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joined:1/15/13
""Everybody always sad he has a lot of soul""

Im not sad, Im glad he has a lot of soul.
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FindingNamo
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joined:7/22/03
The Methodolgy of The Worst Troll of The Last Eight Months:

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(silence)
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"I win!"
Can anyone tell me how the line has been?
CATSNYrevival
Broadway Legend
joined:3/1/04
Why do they keep reworking Pal Joey? There's nothing wrong with the show. The only thing wrong is that they keep casting completely uninteresting and non charismatic leading men for the role.
That's right! Underscore mother-fu@#ers!
Tom5
Understudy
joined:9/23/11
Since they'll be adding numbers from other shows I guess the producers don't really believe that Pal Joey has a great score. (With that attitude they shouldn't have touched it to begin with) On the other hand, if anyone wants to see a Richard Rodgers Revue...
Joviedamian
Broadway Star
joined:11/9/10
Curious to know if any ideas came from Terrence McNally at one point....
PalJoey
Broadway Legend
joined:3/11/04

yr pal,
joey




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PatrickDennis92
Understudy
joined:9/25/12
I think it's interesting when creative people rework a show, despite whether or not it's "better"-- this is a creative enterprise, and as such, creative people can certainly interpret and change other creative people's work. Not that this is exactly the same, but the heart of it is the same-- remember when Sondheim wrote that nasty letter about Porgy and Bess-- I was completely shocked. Here was one of the most brilliant creative people in the business, now or ever, who has repeatedly used other people's work as inspiration for his own, who couldn't see that finished works in musical theatre could still serve as source material for adapted musical work. It's really no different than adapting from a novel or film.
best12bars
Broadway Legend
joined:6/29/05
I wonder if people will do this 50-60 years from now ... throw out the book to Wicked or Dreamgirls or A Chorus Line, and completely rework it. Adding other songs from the composer's canon.

Dreamgirls will be adapted as the actual Supremes' story. The names and circumstances will all be changed. They will add What I Did For Love from the "Hamlisch catalog of songs." Deena will sing The Way We Were as her 11 o'clock number. (Why Hamlisch songs? Because they can.)

Wicked will now be darker, but will also include Corner of the Sky for Elphaba to sing. Madame Morrible will tackle No Time At All, and they will add Over the Rainbow for Dorothy to sing, right before the end of the show.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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Updated On: 8/9/13 at 07:23 PM
darquegk
Broadway Legend
joined:2/5/09
In some ways, this is horrible. IN some ways, this is wonderful. That level of no-rules tampering after some statute of limitations wears off can produce forgettable failures or thrilling successes. But what's important is that no one will remember the failures.

Joviedamian
Broadway Star
joined:11/9/10
best12bars, funny you mentioned that about changing and adding songs from the canon, etc....I once did a production of FAME (though not on the same level as a lot of the shows you talked about), but, literally in the script between scenes it said "Add your song of choice here". So the director did. He looked at songs that are free for public use and can be used in production and used it. Imagine if every script came like that!
EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
Having unfortunately done the stage version of Fame in Jr High, replacing much of the music could only be a good thing... (Although I can't really think of many public domain songs they could fit into the show...)
GavestonPS
Broadway Legend
joined:6/10/12
This doesn't seem so heretical to me.

PAL JOEY has some of Rodgers & Hart's best songs ("Bewitched...", "I Could Write a Book", "Zip"), it also has its share of dross ("Happy Hunting Horn" and "Plant You Now, Dig You Later". Even "Take Him" is no "Marry the Man Today".)

And making the club characters multiracial and multisexual is mere verisimilitude: what O'Hara and Hart might have written if they dared in the 1940s.

As long as they keep the funniest couplet in American musical theater history:

"Zip! I was reading Schopenhauer last night,
Zip! I decided Schopenhauer was right."
Demitri2
Broadway Star
joined:3/25/05
PAL JOEY was done with Lena Horne as Vera and Clifton Davis as Joey at the Ahmanson Theatre in Los Angeles back in the seventies. Linda was also played by a black actress. The reviews were negative and its plans for bringing Horne back to Broadway were scuttled. The show was awful. Which makes me ask, "Has anyone ever seen an enjoyable production of this show?

darquegk
Broadway Legend
joined:2/5/09
Pal Joey is a different animal than Cabaret, where each production version has "gelled" and been reproduced, while existing simultaneously. There is NO really "canonical" version of Pal Joey. As far as I know, from assembling a compendium of the Rodgers, Hart and Hammerstein ouvres earlier this summer, almost every major production uses a new script and a new song stack.
EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
I was wondering how many past revisions there had been--aside from the recent major one from Greenberg I believe. I suppose if there's no official version (or versions, as you say Darque?) it's a bit more like Show Boat, then--though Show Boat seems to go over well in whatever version with most audiences, unlike PJ...
darquegk
Broadway Legend
joined:2/5/09
I think it's a case that Pal Joey is simply not a masterpiece. Is it a good show, and an influential one? Definitely. But it's not a GREAT show. And unless some really brilliant revision comes along, it's always going to be a C-list musical by an A-list team. Rather like Flower Drum Song or Allegro or even Merrily We Roll Along, all of which have variant versions, all of which are respected shows, none of which are really in the Canon of Great Shows despite their pedigree.
Ed_Mottershead
Broadway Legend
joined:10/20/05
No, no, no, no, no.
BroadwayEd
PalJoey
Broadway Legend
joined:3/11/04
The "solutions" to all the problems with "Pal Joey: The Musical" are to be found in the original John O'Hara short stories.

yr pal,
joey




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Bettyboy72
Broadway Legend
joined:3/31/06
I loved the revival with Risch, Channing and Plimpton. Saw it three times. I didn't have the problems others did with Risch. I was captivated from beginning to end.
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darquegk
Broadway Legend
joined:2/5/09
You know, PalJoey is probably right- going back to the book for inspiration would make a stronger adaptation of the musical at this point. But no one seems to want to, or at least no one has yet.
PalJoey
Broadway Legend
joined:3/11/04
Count me another Matthew Risch fan.
yr pal,
joey




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SNAFU
Broadway Legend
joined:4/20/04
Now that you have gone black, will you ever come back PJ?
Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!

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